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Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:33 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Bernie: Trump is a dictator and needs to be stopped
Also Bernie: Give up your guns to the dictator
Also Bernie: Give up your guns to the dictator
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:34 pm to HempHead
quote:Not to mention, support the guy who idolizes the governments of the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela.
If you recognize the state's ability to influence the market as a problem, why do you want greater power in the hands of the state?
The ideas he holds are completely opposing each other.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:34 pm to HempHead
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If you recognize the state's ability to influence the market as a problem, why do you want greater power in the hands of the state?
The problem is there's too much money and power in DC!!
Send more money to DC and consolidate power in DC!!
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:34 pm to HempHead
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If you recognize the state's ability to influence the market as a problem, why do you want greater power in the hands of the state?
because we tried it the first way already and it didn't work tbh
we tried to let the market dictate the rates and look what it got us.
by your logic, why have public schools or roads or anything for that matter? some of us just don't believe profit should be the sole factor in helping the sick and the unwell
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:35 pm to HT713
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because we tried it the first way already and it didn't work tbh
we tried to let the market dictate the rates and look what it got us.
Go ahead and explain this, chief
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:37 pm to HT713
quote:But we aren’t letting the markets dictate cost.
we tried to let the market dictate the rates and look what it got us.
For example, college was much cheaper BEFORE the government involved itself in student loans.
The market was working.
You are pushing for more of the system that screwed it up in the first place.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:38 pm to HT713
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we tried to let the market dictate the rates and look what it got us.
We did. It worked pretty well, in fact. It was the lobbying of the AMA in the 1910's that effectively shut down a good chunk of hospitals in this country, and established a cartelization of the medical industry.
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by your logic, why have public schools or roads or anything for that matter? some of us just don't believe profit should be the sole factor in helping the sick and the unwell
muh. roads.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:39 pm to HT713
quote:*sigh*
by your logic, why have public schools or roads or anything for that matter? some of us just don't believe profit should be the sole factor in helping the sick and the unwell
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:39 pm to HT713
quote:
because we tried it the first way already and it didn't work tbh
we tried to let the market dictate the rates and look what it got us.
When did this happen?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:40 pm to HempHead
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It was the lobbying of the AMA in the 1910's that effectively shut down a good chunk of hospitals in this country, and established a cartelization of the medical industry.
then we should get rid of lobbying, as it has absolutely fricked over our ability t govern ourselves
which candidate is running to end lobbying?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:41 pm to HT713
quote:So, you are willing to support the candidate who wants to massively expand the system that has increased costs in every industry it has involved itself in, solely to get rid of lobbying?
which candidate is running to end lobbying?
And I don’t disagree with you in regards to lobbying.
I have other unrealistic changes that I want, such as having access to the financial records of every single elected official and the banning of all government workers from voting, but I’m not going to give up massively in all other areas in order to obtain one political point.
This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:41 pm to HT713
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then we should get rid of lobbying, as it has absolutely fricked over our ability t govern ourselves
There would be little to no lobbying if there was not state power to purchase and influence. You are trying to treat a symptom rather than the disease.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:42 pm to HT713
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then we should get rid of lobbying, as it has absolutely fricked over our ability t govern ourselves
which candidate is running to end lobbying?
The candidate that wants to consolidate power to the point that it renders lobbying useless because they will be able to control whatever they want anyways.
You do realize there is another way of diminishing the power lobbyists have, right?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:42 pm to HT713
admits that the free market is amazing and did wonders with reducing the cost of lasik eye surgery and we should have the govt out of the medical field...... then in the same breath wants to give the govt more power Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:43 pm to HempHead
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There would be little to no lobbying if there was not state power to purchase and influence.
ok which candidate is running to take power from the state and give it back to the consumers?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:43 pm to HT713
How do you end lobbying?
The SPCA and teachers unions would be shut out, too. Or just the “big, bad” lobbyists?
The SPCA and teachers unions would be shut out, too. Or just the “big, bad” lobbyists?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:44 pm to Scruffy
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Not to mention, support the guy who idolizes the governments of the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela.
Hopefully his support of Castro will kill his chances in Florida. The Cubans that fled hate Castro.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:44 pm to Oneforthemoney
Millennial checking in voting for trump 
Posted on 2/24/20 at 2:44 pm to HT713
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ok which candidate is running to take power from the state and give it back to the consumers?
No one, to my knowledge. Does a lack thereof require you to vote for someone who advocates for the literal opposite?
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