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re: Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:29 pm to MastrShake
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:29 pm to MastrShake
quote:
i think its extremely weird but thats my opinion. someones opinion, by itself, isnt the basis for a law.
Now you're just spouting bullshite in an effort to save face.
Let's play by your rules and leave religion out of it.
If gay marriage should be legal, give me one logical reason why polygamy shouldn't be also. Don't give me some bullshite opinion that you think it's weird.
You can't do it.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:31 pm to UnAnon
quote:Within the context of this discussion, it's the other way around. The exemption is to protect the religious from being forced to do something they view as morally wrong based on their religious beliefs. Just because you don't believe what they believe doesn't mean it's madness.
So saying that people can't force their Religion on other peoples personal life is injustice?
Madness.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That's your excuse it that Everyone discriminates.
What's to stop a private school with zero state funding (Would it matter in this instance openly turn down LGBT students? or your local mom and pop business refusing to server based on sexual preference?
All in the name of religious freedom?
What the frick is wrong with you people.
What's to stop a private school with zero state funding (Would it matter in this instance openly turn down LGBT students? or your local mom and pop business refusing to server based on sexual preference?
All in the name of religious freedom?
What the frick is wrong with you people.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:33 pm to FooManChoo
quote:so you think America should be a theocracy? like Iran?
I reject your demand to get a reason that is outside of "because the bible says so" because there doesn't have to be another reason for it for those who believe that. You don't have to believe it.
quote:youve heard of "consent", right? to get married, two people have to fill out paperwork and take public vows.
I can "marry" a lamp if I want. My dog can "marry" its chew toy if I want to say that's the truth. If it sounds absurd, it's because it is absurd...
as soon as you can find a lamp who can do that, you let me know.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:33 pm to UnAnon
quote:
That's your excuse it that Everyone discriminates.
No, that's my rationale. Why should some be allowed to discriminate and others not?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:34 pm to UnAnon
quote:So you would force someone to do something against their will--something they view as morally wrong--because you don't like the alternative? What is wrong with you?
That's your excuse it that Everyone discriminates.
What's to stop a private school with zero state funding (Would it matter in this instance openly turn down LGBT students? or your local mom and pop business refusing to server based on sexual preference?
All in the name of religious freedom?
What the frick is wrong with you people.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:34 pm to UnAnon
quote:
What's to stop a private school with zero state funding (Would it matter in this instance openly turn down LGBT students? or your local mom and pop business refusing to server based on sexual preference?
Ah yes, shift the argument.
You are an idiot.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
So that's your take on, say, drug laws also?
Do my personal thoughts and beliefs expose me to state action under drug laws?
If I think: "Boy, I'd sure like to smoke a joint" will I be subject to sanction? How about if I donate money to a PAC that is pushing for legalization in DC or in my state? If pot is legal in my state but I am morally opposed to it, will I get in trouble for not baking hashish brownies?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:35 pm to kilo
...How is that shifting the argument? You're just looking at it because MUH FREEDOMS but it's a much broader picture in the article than just preventing gays from getting married.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:36 pm to kilo
quote:
Your point is still terrible. One is a private act the other is a public act.
, and that matters how, exactly, under the law? The point is people pick and choose which ones are most important to them, based on a religion that thinks both are equally wrong.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:36 pm to MastrShake
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Christians? because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
You're confused.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:37 pm to Machine
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If the supreme court votes in favor of the state of Mississippi, they're efficiently nullifying equal protection under the 14th amendment.
Yeah....no.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to UnAnon
quote:
...How is that shifting the argument? You're just looking at it because MUH FREEDOMS but it's a much broader picture in the article than just preventing gays from getting married.
NO ONE IS PREVENTING GAYS FROM GETTING MARRIED. IS THIS CLEAR TO YOU YET?
You are a typical prog leftist. You are making things up as you go along. You are shifting your argument as your previous stances are decimated by logic.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to UnAnon
I don't have any problem with Churches turning down marriages between gay people.
I do have a problem with the business aspect of the law though.
I do have a problem with the business aspect of the law though.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:38 pm to UnAnon
quote:
...How is that shifting the argument? You're just looking at it because MUH FREEDOMS but it's a much broader picture in the article than just preventing gays from getting married.
Only if you redefine freedom
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:40 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:lets try this again...
Now you're just spouting bullshite in an effort to save face.
Let's play by your rules and leave religion out of it.
If gay marriage should be legal, give me one logical reason why polygamy shouldn't be also. Don't give me some bullshite opinion that you think it's weird.
You can't do it.
"i think (polygamy is) extremely weird but thats my opinion. someones opinion, by itself, isnt the basis for a law."
in other words, MY opinion, by itself, is not the basis for a law.
if people want to get into a polygamous marriage, thats up to them. just because i personally think something is weird doesnt mean other people should be required by law to act the way i want them too.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to slackster
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The point is people pick and choose which ones are most important to them, based on a religion that thinks both are equally wrong.
Again? Can you not understand the difference between a gay couple outwardly looking ot get married and a couple that may or may not have had premarital sex walking into a bakery?
Do you really not understand the difference in one is a private act and one is an outwardly public transgression on the bakers religious views?
You are dying on your hill.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to MastrShake
quote:No. We are a people protected by the Constitution. Religious liberty still exists and marriage can be defined however a country can define it if there is some sort of consensus. If that consensus is based on a religious definition, that's not the equivalent of a theocracy. Defining terms in light of religion doesn't mean that every person has to believe it.
so you think America should be a theocracy? like Iran?
quote:Consent is necessary based on your definition of marriage. My point is that if there is no objective basis for it, you can define marriage any way you want, including lacking consent. In India, many marriages are still arranged. Many people get married even if they don't want to because they feel compelled to do it based on family or societal pressure, tradition, etc.
youve heard of "consent", right? to get married, two people have to fill out paperwork and take public vows.
as soon as you can find a lamp who can do that, you let me know.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to slackster
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A baker won't make a cake for a gay wedding, but he doesn't give a damn if a traditional couple is having premarital sex. Using religion as the basis seems a bit cheap when you're picking and choosing which facets you want to follow.
Which bakers are you referring to, and what is the basis of your awareness of them knowing of some unnamed people having pre martial sex?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to MastrShake
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in other words, MY opinion, by itself, is not the basis for a law.
We're making progress
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