- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Navy Secretary Modly Walks The Plank
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:06 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:06 pm to 14&Counting
Who did he have to resign to? If Trump he should of declined it and gave him a pat on the back.
0
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:12 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:
Putting aside the worthless OPSEC fig leaf- do you really think that equates to it being okay to leak classified info simply because it is accurate? Because that's quite literally what you're suggesting.
Absolutely not. I am not the one that made the statement equating that if something is true then it is ok to make it publicly known.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:28 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:First off, you have no clue wtf you are talking about. Secondly, as you're apparently fine with a carrier C/O alerting the globe concomitant to his own CofC that he is taking his ship off line, your education in the arena is evident.
You being a consultant to a surgeon general doesn’t make you educated on command norms.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:35 pm to omegaman66
quote:
Are you saying it is ok to leak classified documents if it is the truth? Not everything true are is suppose to be made public.
nothing was classified
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:36 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
quote:
Royal Tiger Fan, served in reactor department on Nimitz so I can only imagine what y'all are going through. My opinion isn't popular here but I think the Capt did the right thing.
I am not privy to what departments this thing was ravaging but from what I know if it was reactor you could have some serious readiness issues if 50-60 people suddenly can't stand watch or do maintenance. What is boils down to is their are core people who are vital to making that big ship run and losing certain key personnel could make trying to execute the ships mission near impossible. My gut feeling is that the Capt was getting dangerously close to that limit so reached out to get some help.
Most people here don't have any clue how close the quarters are on board. Every thing is tight. Most enlisted bearthing areas are 3 racks high in a bunk bed arrangement so there are 6 people living/sleep within about 3 feet of each other. I'm actually shocked and surprised with the incubation period for the virus that more of the crew didn't have it.
Capt did right even if it cost him his job. IMO if Trump was smart he would reinstate the Capt and put him back in command.
You sir, understand it all.
I did the 2005 deployment on NIMITZ
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:39 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:Were mistakes made in your opinion?
You sir, understand it all.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:40 pm to OchoDedos
Just curious as to what your military experience was?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:41 pm to cajunangelle
quote:
The Skipper has ways of reaching out when readiness is depleted or questioned, as the virus causes upheaval.
I even heard he was sick himself. The squid that wrote what you quoted is correct but should know that the way the Skipper alerted the chain of command was wrong.
There are ways that if his concern on readiness is leaked to his hometown newspaper; the person leaking would be cuffed on the spot and marched to a brig.
Someone leaked a dangerous SITREP on ships movement and readiness-period.
It stops with the Skipper period.
The Skipper was either stupid or naive is correct. He surely should not be trusted again.
No No No.
For a whole week he was trying to get help. To no avail. His letter was his way of putting in on the record that he asked for help before the dam broke - because it was inevitable that the dam would break
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:41 pm to mmcgrath
Shutup, mmcgra....
quote:
I have to agree with Trump (gulp)
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:47 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:Define that.
For a whole week he was trying to get help
Was he denied port?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:48 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:
nothing was classified
I’ve heard it reported that the medical condition of the sailors is classified. Any information regarding the carriers readiness is considered classified.
Is that not right?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:49 pm to PhDoogan
quote:
PhDoogan
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Were mistakes made in your opinion?
Yes...Buy not by CAPT Crozier.
I'll summarize what happened for you.
1. The CO should not have been fired. And he didnt take his ship offline; we were directed to pull into Guam. The Air Wing was struck first, and if you cant fly, there is no reason for a carrier to be out to sea.
2. The CO wrote the letter after a week of dealing with the crisis and after we (the officers aboard including the CO and warfare commanders) were all told that additional help were not coming and we was going to have to care for each other and the crew. That is why the CO wrote the letter (with support from others that are not named in the media). He, and the senior leaders, were under the belief that no help was coming. The letter didn't alert anyone to the fact the carrier was offline - everyone knew that. What pissed off DC leadership was the fact that their strategy (wait the virus out on the ship) was leaked to the public forum and they would be criticized as not doing enough for a deployed crew.
3. The CO sent the email to leaders in Naval Aviation which included the strike group commander and fleet commander. It was probably leaked by a CC'd person or a member of that person's staff who has access to the flag officer emails (a common practice in the Navy).
4. The crew loved Crozier because he (even before this) put their best interest at heart. Good COs are hard to come by nowadays and the folks followed him. I'm Air Wing and respected the man because of how well he treated his crew.
5. The situation was much dire than the the senior leaders of our military wanted to admit. Even the number of positives currently being reported is lower than the actual number of cases. We were having trouble feeding the crew and taking care of basic ship needs because people were either positive COVID and had to be isolated or people were presumed to be close contact with positive cases and had to be quarantined. handling a pandemic on an carrier of 5K personnel with 40 medical personnel is not ideal.
6. The other thing was we lost mission capability. Things arent how the movie depicts them. Yeah you see the plane flies and bomb shite, but that plan dont fly without maintenance personnel getting it ready and the flight deck crew doing their part. And a lot of those people were stricken with the virus and couldn't work. Which mean we couldnt do flight ops. And if a carrier cant do flight ops, then we just a big arse boat in the water.
6. SECNAV didn't have to come all the way here and said what he said. He made his statement the day he fired the CO and that was that. While folks may cheer his words think of it as some "beating the chest moment", To us it was like somebody showed up to the funeral and talk shite about the deceased. It was uncalled for. Especially because we know the truth. People were already pissed at SECNAV because of the lack of candor in his statement about the firing. It has been over two weeks since the first positive tests; real action did not start until after the CO's letter. And even then it was hastily done, as it's taken 8 days and still dont have the kinks out the system. If SECNAV and team were planning, then they would have been able to implement the plan by the time we arrived in Guam on 27 March, four days after the first test.
I get the political leanings and the desire to defend. But for someone who is living through this and have to lead people through this, I'm telling you this was mishandled by leadership (DC and Hawaii) from the start. It was underestimated and misunderstood. The CO tried to paint the picture for what it was.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:54 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
’ve heard it reported that the medical condition of the sailors is classified. Any information regarding the carriers readiness is considered classified.
Is that not right?
That is not right. Medical is HIPPA. future ship movement and mission planning is classified
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:00 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Define that.
Maybe my wordy post will help, but here is the deal. When the DOD first responded to the pandemic, most adhere to the CDC guidelines of social distancing. While thats doable for forces back home, there was no guidance for deployed forces. Additionally, it's impossible to do it on a carrier.
So we either had to pull into port and get everyone in isolation (except skeleton crew to run the plants). We pulled into port, but there was no help to get folks in isolation - just cots on the base which meant we started spreading the virus in open bay gyms.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:05 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
Mad respect to you shipmate. It’s good to be able to hear facts from the deck plates instead bullshite of from a bunch of non-combatant desk jockeys with political agendas.
Stay safe
Stay safe
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
First off, you have no clue wtf you are talking about.
Yes I do. You should relax.
quote:
Secondly, as you're apparently fine with a carrier C/O alerting the globe concomitant to his own CofC that he is taking his ship off line, your education in the arena is evident.
That’s not what he did. You are just regurgitating a narrative without any clue of what actually happened.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:07 pm to loweralabamatrojan
quote:
Mad respect to you shipmate. It’s good to be able to hear facts from the deck plates instead bullshite of from a bunch of non-combatant desk jockeys with political agendas.
Stay safe
Just trying to get the real truth to those willing to listen!
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:14 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:Just to be clear, the SecNavy made an arse of himself. But that occurred after the C/O's letter became part of a public worldwide news release.
I get the political leanings and the desire to defend.
There are serious Navy issues here.
The material leaked to the press was inexcusable.
Let's define that.
We now have 3 other carriers announced to the press as Covid-19 positive . . . the Reagan, Vinson, and Nimitz.
You know how I know that?
Because someone leaked it to the press as well. How in hell does operational information get leaked if there is only a SecNavy/Civilian/Political problem here?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:20 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
I appreciate you giving us the inside scoop. We damn sure wouldn't get it from the DOD or main stream media. 
Page 8 of 10
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News