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re: Navy Secretary Modly Walks The Plank
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:32 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
There are serious Navy issues here.
The material leaked to the press was inexcusable.
Let's define that.
We now have 3 other carriers announced to the press as Covid-19 positive . . . the Reagan, Vinson, and Nimitz
I'm serving to defend the free press that you are reading/watching getting the information from. It shouldn't be a secret from the public that we are stricken with something that is hitting everyone.
It would raise more questions as to having explain why a carrier away from its homeport on deployment is not out to see and most of the crew as left the ship. Wouldn't you, as a tax payer, be saying WTF?
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:37 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:So again, we may be taking past each other. But what you are describing sounds like a Navy issue. Unless I'm missing something, the base commander, and/or hospital command were not doing their job.
We pulled into port, but there was no help to get folks in isolation - just cots on the base which meant we started spreading the virus in open bay gyms.
I understand the bitterness directed at the civilian political type. It is justified
But the Navy does not seem to have its act together here. Sounds like the carrier and base structures operate in parallel but not cooperatively. At some point in the CofC those two parallel structures merge. That is the point where an officer needs to step up and lead.
What we can't have is a running public press tally of various US carriers suddenly offline.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:37 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
What do you think the possibility/feasibility of returning every ship at sea back to their home port? I think an adversary would be out of their minds to frick with us if that would occur. I suspect Trump would send them some nukes with their name on them.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:43 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
So again, we may be taking past each other. But what you are describing sounds like a Navy issue. Unless I'm missing something, the base commander, and/or hospital command were not doing their job.
I understand the bitterness directed at the civilian political type. It is justified
Now you are getting to the meat of it. The Base Commander and the hospital were also not equip to handle a ship of this size for and extended period. SO no blame there way.
quote:
But the Navy does not seem to have its act together here. Sounds like the carrier and base structures operate in parallel but not cooperatively. At some point in the CofC those two parallel structures merge. That is the point where an officer needs to step up and lead.
And this is why the Captain wrote the letter. Because Sailors was dealing with it for a week, and non of the senior folks got the affairs in order.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:49 pm to COTiger
quote:
What do you think the possibility/feasibility of returning every ship at sea back to their home port?
Bro, This has always been my stance.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:50 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
Great minds think alike. 
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:51 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:As a taxpayer, I'd probably be saying WTF about many things . . . if they were leaked.
Wouldn't you, as a tax payer, be saying WTF?
As a taxpayer, I'd be saying WTF if you leaked the Navy's use-it-or-lose-it year end purchases.
I'd be saying WTF at all sorts of waste . . . if news of it were leaked.
I'd be saying WTF with sailors allowed ashore while the entire US is lockddown during a covid-19 pandemic . . . if that was leaked.
I'd certainly be saying WTF as our ships then fall off line as a result of shore leave exposure, while those readiness deficits are given full detailed press coverage.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
As a taxpayer, I'd probably be saying WTF about many things . . . if they were leaked.
As a taxpayer, I'd be saying WTF if you leaked the Navy's use-it-or-lose-it year end purchases.
I'd be saying WTF at all sorts of waste . . . if news of it were leaked.
Which i would be happy with - accountability.
quote:
I'd be saying WTF with sailors allowed ashore while the entire US is lockddown during a covid-19 pandemic . . . if that was leaked.
You talking about us? We were in Vietnam 5-9 March - before the lockdown. And we were ordered there for a diplomatic reason (anniversary of renewal of diplomatic relations).
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I'd certainly be saying WTF as our ships then fall off line as a result of shore leave exposure, while those readiness deficits are given full detailed press coverage.
We DID NOT get the Virus in Vietnam. We were out sea for a couple of weeks with no issues. Also another ship pulled in with us; they have no cases. We suspect the virus was brought onboard from new people we received from the US - after we left Vietnam.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:10 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:On a ship with a young population, that is exactly the presentation delay one would expect.
We were out sea for a couple of weeks with no issues.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:14 pm to 14&Counting
Modly performed like a dumb arse
Posted on 4/12/20 at 12:49 am to 13SaintTiger
quote:Sorry I missed this stupidity in real time.
Yes I do.
If you had a clue you'd have not made the statement. You don't, so you did.
quote:Well, let's see . . . .quote:That’s not what he did. You are just regurgitating a narrative without any clue of what actually happened.
Secondly, as you're apparently fine with a carrier C/O alerting the globe concomitant to his own CofC that he is taking his ship off line, your education in the arena is evident.
quote:Res ipsa loquitur
Going to the crux of the matter, even General Keane asked, “Why would he write a letter after he has had plenty of dialogue with his chain of command on a non-secure net and then copy people on that letter who are not in his chain of command and some of them are subordinate to him?” Captain Crozier, however, in writing the unclassified letter, revealed Roosevelt’s combat capability to U.S. adversaries in the region.
LINK
Posted on 4/12/20 at 1:47 am to NC_Tigah
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Your C/O released materials concerning a combat ship's mission readiness to the public.
Sure looks like he was desperate to get help with the move he made. Know what really affects mission readiness? An entire ship incapacitated by a virus with no vaccine or proven treatment. He must have felt like his crews lives were in danger and that’s why he did what he did. Did he make a mistake going into port? Yeah, I think so. But big navy definitely wasn’t helping him out when he needed it.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 1:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
On a ship with a young population, that is exactly the presentation delay one would expect.
You DO realize that there aren’t enough beds nor enough medical staff to accommodate an entire air craft carrier being sick with covid-19 right? The captain did what he thought was best for the crew. His leaders weren’t getting how critical time was. He was up against the clock in his mind.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 5:19 am to monsterballads
Did he voice these concerns with his superiors on their daily conference calls?
Posted on 4/12/20 at 6:21 am to Boatshoes
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""The Army is a fraternity, the Air Force is a corporation, the Navy is an aristocracy, and the Marines are a cult."
G’damn right. LOL
The captain made a choice...is what it is. The SECNAV over played his hand. I don’t think either should have been relieved or resigned. The biggest issue is this is playing out in the media and in the living rooms. It should all be an internal matter and there wouldn’t be anything to debate. Commanders are relieved regularly. It happens. It’s rarely news worthy unless someone is trying to politicize it.
Semper Fi
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 6:22 am
Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:15 am to monsterballads
quote:The reference was to the incorrect proposition the infection could not have originated in Vietnam. Not only could it have originated there, given the timeline and crew demographics, it almost certainly originated there. The Roosevelt departed Vietnam March 9. The first reported CV19 case was March 15. Clear?
You DO realize that there aren’t enough beds nor enough medical staff to accommodate an entire air craft carrier being sick with covid-19 right?
quote:Going outside CofC was what he thought was best?
The captain did what he thought was best for the crew.
Usurping command authority is what he thought was best?
Adm. Stu Baker, his commanding officer was on board the ship.
Baker was not informed of Crozier's plan.
He found out about Crozier's actions only after they were taken.
He asked why Crozier had circumvented his authority, and Crozier responded he thought Baker would not agree with the decision. He was correct. Baker should have removed him then and there. LINK
Now you might think that kind of action is fine and dandy. It isn't. But to add insult to injury, there is no evidence whatsoever it made any difference in the timeline.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:35 am to 14&Counting
Long gone are Admirals like Nimitz. It won't be long before some purple haired transvestite is leading the naval fleet
Posted on 4/12/20 at 7:57 am to Saint Alfonzo
It seems to me everyone’s forgotten the ship was and is infected with the CV19 and there was nothing be done about it. What would you have done about it?
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:10 am to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:Read everyone of your posts. Good insights. Thanks for sharing. And like me, you are a Mustang (something I can respect). Still do not agree with all that Captain Crozier did but it does provide some context as to what happened.
Royal Tiger Fan
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:13 am to Coolleew
quote:Odd premise.
It seems to me everyone’s forgotten the ship was and is infected
Seems to me everyone’s forgotten the ship was very likely addressed just as it would have been had Crozier worked through his chain of command.
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