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Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:45 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Unprovable.
NS is definitive. Period.
"Consciousness" is a matter of opinion.
Burden of proof lies with you, since you said that the previous poster's assertion was "demonstrably false."
As far as natural selection being "definitive," well, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here but it doesn't seem relevant at all.
You also seem to contradict yourself. First you say that the notion that natural selection being an unconscious process is demonstrably false, then you say it's simply a matter of opinion. Which is it?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:47 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Acceptance is not the issue, it's approval. when people vote, they are are voicing, "I don't approve of this for our society"
But they can love and accept gay people, what choice do they have, right? We must accept reality.
Approval is where the vote against comes in.
For Christians, if you ask us what we think, we're going to follow the lords word as our guide to a clear conscious. It's not a difficult vote if you are trying to please God. If you want to be politically correct and not offend someone, then you vote for it
We all sin, but most of us aren't trying to advertise it and we certainly aren't trying to deny it or furthermore make the general public endorse it "Approved" in a newer version of marriage. That's way out of bounds
That's why we have these passionate debates. People are stuck between political correctness and their conscious of right and wrong on sexual behavior. Cross over into a marriage and we are suddenly arguing about rights
Fro the most part, the majority of people will never fully embrace it. that's how we know it's wrong. The same with abortions. That debate will never ever simmer.
The rights for women to vote and Black freedom and rights came to be very clear, and we as a nation were wrong. It's make sense to everyone that these people be treated equally, so we changed for the better in the right direction. The sin was cut out and that's why everyone is now at peace with "Equality"
When you start using equality to justify a sin in holy matrimony all hell breaks loose.
Gay marriage may become a reality on dayin all 50 states, but in the hearts of many, it will never be approved.
that's just the way it is. Sin complicates things...
We can still love each other and should love each other. That may not be enough for Gays to accept from those who don't approve of their lifestyle.
What a steaming load. You will be proven wrong in the next ten years. Hail Satan.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:49 pm to Tom288
quote:Assertion that Natural Selection is not nature's predisposition is demonstrably false.
Burden of proof lies with you, since you said that the previous poster's assertion was "demonstrably false."
I'm a little surprised you'd jump in.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:49 pm to Tigerlaff
quote:same
Hail Satan.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:51 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
For Christians, if you ask us what we think, we're going to follow the lords word as our guide to a clear conscious. It's not a difficult vote if you are trying to please God. If you want to be politically correct and not offend someone, then you vote for it We all sin, but most of us aren't trying to advertise it and we certainly aren't trying to deny it or furthermore make the general public endorse it "Approved" in a newer version of marriage. That's way out of bounds That's why we have these passionate debates. People are stuck between political correctness and their conscious of right and wrong on sexual behavior. Cross over into a marriage and we are suddenly arguing about rights Fro the most part, the majority of people will never fully embrace it. that's how we know it's wrong. The same with abortions. That debate will never ever simmer. The rights for women to vote and Black freedom and rights came to be very clear, and we as a nation were wrong. It's make sense to everyone that these people be treated equally, so we changed for the better in the right direction. The sin was cut out and that's why everyone is now at peace with "Equality" When you start using equality to justify a sin in holy matrimony all hell breaks loose. Gay marriage may become a reality on dayin all 50 states, but in the hearts of many, it will never be approved. that's just the way it is. Sin complicates things... We can still love each other and should love each other. That may not be enough for Gays to accept from those who don't approve of their lifestyle.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:53 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Natural Selection meets that burden.
The burden of proof is on you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I agree that natural selection is nature's 'predisposition' (if you mean what I think you mean by that). That does not imply that any of it is conscious.
Assertion that Natural Selection is not nature's predisposition is demonstrably false.
I'm a little surprised you'd jump in.
Going back to my gravity analogy: a ball at the top of a slope and in the presence of a gravitational field is predisposed to roll down the slope, because of the fundamental force of gravity, which is the attraction between massive objects. This does not mean that the ball is conscious, nor does it mean that gravity is conscious.
Unless, of course, you change the meaning of 'conscious' such that the word becomes meaningless.
quote:You keep saying this, but you haven't explained how.
Natural Selection meets that burden.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:55 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Whoa, I have never heard or read that
Can you please link your resource?
Sure
For starters, 70% of the globe's HIV positive individuals reside in Africa, and 75% of new cases every year occur there as well. Of those with HIV in Africa, the largest demographic are heterosexual women via either rape or the sex trade.
LINK
While the MSM community is thriving in Africa, the use of protection is actually much higher in this group for various reasons (the least of which isnt the ignorance that only gays can propagate the illness). Only about 20% of new HIV cases in Africa occur as the result of gay sex.
LINK
In the end, the math adds up to around 65% of new HIV cases every year resulting from good old fashioned hetero sex. About 25% are the result of gay and lesbian sex, and the rest from things like transfusions.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:56 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
I agree that natural selection is nature's 'predisposition' (if you mean what I think you mean by that). That does not imply that any of it is conscious.
LET'S
TRY
AGAIN . . .
quote:
Natural selection is an unconscious process
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:02 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
quote:
So if a majority of people say women or blacks should not have any rights, that's ok?
How can that even be a possibility relative to the premise of your question?
Why do we vote? To find out what the public wants for itself.
That' doesn't always become a reality however, because when Obamacare came up for a vote, of the great number of American people polled, 67% were against the legislation but it passed anyways.
people are still largely against it's current form...still no change
Once something gets approved, it's hard to reverse it.
Gay marriage is something we can accept (As if we have a choice), but no law no man can make us approve it in our conscious.
Acceptance is not the issue, it's approval. when people vote, they are are voicing, "I don't approve of this for our society"
But they can love and accept gay people, what choice do they have, right? We must accept reality.
Approval is where the vote against comes in.
For Christians, if you ask us what we think, we're going to follow the lords word as our guide to a clear conscious. It's not a difficult vote if you are trying to please God. If you want to be politically correct and not offend someone, then you vote for it
We all sin, but most of us aren't trying to advertise it and we certainly aren't trying to deny it or furthermore make the general public endorse it "Approved" in a newer version of marriage. That's way out of bounds
That's why we have these passionate debates. People are stuck between political correctness and their conscious of right and wrong on sexual behavior. Cross over into a marriage and we are suddenly arguing about rights
Fro the most part, the majority of people will never fully embrace it. that's how we know it's wrong. The same with abortions. That debate will never ever simmer.
The rights for women to vote and Black freedom and rights came to be very clear, and we as a nation were wrong. It's make sense to everyone that these people be treated equally, so we changed for the better in the right direction. The sin was cut out and that's why everyone is now at peace with "Equality"
When you start using equality to justify a sin in holy matrimony all hell breaks loose.
Gay marriage may become a reality on dayin all 50 states, but in the hearts of many, it will never be approved.
that's just the way it is. Sin complicates things...
We can still love each other and should love each other. That may not be enough for Gays to accept from those who don't approve of their lifestyle.
The list of things once unilaterally condemned by christians which are now largely accepted in that community (and vica versa) is extensive. To think homosexuality wont eventually join that list is to simply ignore the history of the faith. You may say "but this is different, homosexuality is directly condemned in the Bible" to which I would say the practice of birth control is also directly condemned and the practice of slavery directly endorsed. The practice of women holding positions or being teachers in the church is condemned, as is men wearing their hair long. The list goes on for a while.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:03 pm to AUsome Possum
Study cultural marxism and you will understand.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Yes, you said that was demonstrably false. Go ahead and demonstrate it. Tell me how "natural selection" proves that nature has a consciousness. Otherwise, I'm really not interested in continuing this conversation.
LET'S
TRY
AGAIN . . .
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:08 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:WRONG!
Yes, you said that was demonstrably false. Go ahead and demonstrate it. Tell me how "natural selection" proves that nature has a consciousness.
ONCE MORE!
quote:Prove it!
Natural selection is an unconscious proces
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:10 pm to NC_Tigah
Great trolling.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:11 pm to NC_Tigah
Homosexuality occurs naturally in a tiny percentage, so it is rational to relegate them to a fringe space in society.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:14 pm to Tigerlaff
quote:Yeah I keep going back to the bait.
Great trolling.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:14 pm to NC_Tigah
Let's be clear.
You have no proof as to whether nature's processes are conscious or unconscious. None! Zip! Nada! Zero!
Assertions to the contrary not withstanding, I am sick and tired of assertions of an atheist nullset as a positive when it is no more a known than its antithesis.
Got it?
You have no proof as to whether nature's processes are conscious or unconscious. None! Zip! Nada! Zero!
Assertions to the contrary not withstanding, I am sick and tired of assertions of an atheist nullset as a positive when it is no more a known than its antithesis.
Got it?
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:16 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:That's a lot of words to tell me I can't prove this rock in my hand isn't conscious.
Let's be clear.
You have no proof as to whether nature's processes are conscious or unconscious. None! Zip! Nada! Zero!
Assertions to the contrary not withstanding, I am sick and tired of an atheist nullset as a positive when it is no more a known than its antithesis.
Got it?
You actually think you're proving a point.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:17 pm to Hog on the Hill
I would assume he is asserting that evolution is guided by God and in thus a concious process, which is an unfalsifiable claim. It he wants to believe then I say be happy about it, it would be a great day if every christian believed that.
There are enough crazies who deny evolution that those who accept the science are a blessing.
There are enough crazies who deny evolution that those who accept the science are a blessing.
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