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re: Official: Kari Lake Victory Update Thread
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:32 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:32 pm to David_DJS
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I'm thinking being in swing states Wisconsin and Arizona, we endured more than the others outside of PA, MI, GA and maybe NC.
The last week was insane.
The mailman went on vacation because he knew how bad it was going to be.
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:32 pm to AZHorn
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So, they vote for someone like Gallego that is worse than her and probably hasn't stepped foot in the state for 15 years?
Clearly.
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and everyone that watches TV in Maricopa has seen the ads about the situation with him leaving his wife
I was told this NEVER made it to TV over there
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump was outspent 3:1 by Kamala The people who voted for Trump considered the candidates when picking Trump
The people who voted for Trump did so despite a huge spending advantage for his opponent, Kamala Harris
The voters I'm discussing did all of that and voted for Galego. Explain why Lake pulling a Kamala Harris would change their mind in that race
Gallego had been a wackjob in the House for a few terms. An utter liberal hack, supporting a wide open border, all the green shite, all the woke shite, all the spending, etc. When he announced his run for the senate, it was widely discussed in political media how he had no prayer to win the senate seat unless he was able to remake himself. Democrats spent $50 million doing that. Sure, there was some "Kari Lake is dangerous" ads but the heavy spending was about how Gallego was a war hero, tough on the border, tough on crime, no nonsense moderate that you could trust with your money. If Republicans had money to do so, they could have pushed back on that narrative, particularly given truth would have been on Kari Lake's side. Gallego really is a liberal a-hole.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So Lake didn't spend any of her own money on these attack ads?
Very little coverage. Should have been blasted but some of your heroes spent zero. Just admit your are a dumb arse.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:35 pm to AZHorn
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AZHorn
That was little more than a spitball. However, I can see it being a contributing factor. Not the sole reason, but contribuing.
A lot of people there really do despise her. A number of people that live there have said as much.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:36 pm to David_DJS
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One of the props on the AZ ballot was an abortion rights amendment that passed with about 65% of the vote. Libs put it on the ballot to drive turnout with beating Trump in mind, but IMO it backfired. Independents could settle the abortion question in AZ and not have to vote for wacko retard "border czar" - in a state that is pissed off about the border.
I don't think it worked like this for Lake.
This is a good point. But how many independents are there?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:37 pm to BuckyCheese
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A lot of people there really do despise her. A number of people that live there have said as much.
A lot there despise trump. A number of people have said as much. You can say that about every candidate. Try something new.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:37 pm to David_DJS
Gallego clearly spent more, but let's not pretend that Lake didn't spend almost $20M herself. Instead of Trump's 3:1 disadvantage her's was about 2.5:1 (but she also got the priceless downballot status from Trump, who dominated AZ).
If we were just talking about a random Senate seat in a non-presidential election, I'd agree with you 100%.
But we had Trump on the ballot and he won the state by a large margin. Lake was downballot that super popular Presidential victor and still lost.
If we were just talking about a random Senate seat in a non-presidential election, I'd agree with you 100%.
But we had Trump on the ballot and he won the state by a large margin. Lake was downballot that super popular Presidential victor and still lost.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:39 pm to Warboo
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Very little coverage. Should have been blasted
Lake was spending $2M/month prior to the election. Why wasn't she blasting it?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:39 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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Point 2: Dude in this thread said she was "Trump with tits". If that's so, and Trump is a good candidate, how would that not translate to to her votes as well?
Do you like a woman that is belligerent, catty, in your face, basically the definition of a Karen right down to the hair?
btw-I don't think Trump is/was a particularly good candidate either. Harris was obviously terrible thankfully.
I could listen to Vance talk policy all night. Trump is like nails on a board to me. And I'm not alone on that.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:40 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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But how many independents are there?
In Arizona? A shitload.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:41 pm to Warboo
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Try something new.
Nothing will change your mind so why bother? Live in fantasyland if you want.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:46 pm to BuckyCheese
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bother? Live in fantasyland if you want.
Thinking the elections in Arizona are anywhere close to legit is the definition of “fantasy land”
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:47 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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This is a good point. But how many independents are there?
Arizona is 35% R, 35% Ind/other, 30% D.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and everyone that watches TV in Maricopa has seen the ads about the situation with him leaving his wife
I was told this NEVER made it to TV over there
I've seen the Ads for it on TV in Phoenix, clearly not as many Ads as he has ran though. The Ads were good, but I think they should have concentrated more on his voting record and painting him as a far leftist...She clearly needed more money for her campaign Ads, i'm not disagreeing with that...I'm disagreeing that he could be almost as popular as Trump and get almost as many votes as he has gotten... He's a terrible fricking candidate, like I said, Kari wiped the floor with him in their debate..The only thing I can figure is the Latinos that voted for Trump are swinging to him because he is Latino, and maybe some of the women voting on the abortion issue still Voted for Trump since there was an abortion prop on the ballot but are swinging to Gallego? Still seems like some frickery going on though..
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:49 pm to David_DJS
I was curious about how much money she raised this year vs other republicans.
Kari Lake - 21 million
Bernie Moreno - 23 million
Dave McCormick - 26 million
Larry Hogan - 10 million
Tim Sheehy - 25 million
Jim Justice - 4 million
The NRSC raised 260 million, you can go through their disbursements at the FEC website.
Win Red raised 1.4 billion.
Kari Lake - 21 million
Bernie Moreno - 23 million
Dave McCormick - 26 million
Larry Hogan - 10 million
Tim Sheehy - 25 million
Jim Justice - 4 million
The NRSC raised 260 million, you can go through their disbursements at the FEC website.
Win Red raised 1.4 billion.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 10:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Instead of Trump's 3:1 disadvantage her's was about 2.5:1 (but she also got the priceless downballot status from Trump, who dominated AZ).
lol @ splitting hairs on spend. I think it his spending advantage was more like 2.6542689:1.
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If we were just talking about a random Senate seat in a non-presidential election, I'd agree with you 100%.
But we had Trump on the ballot and he won the state by a large margin. Lake was downballot that super popular Presidential victor and still lost.
I'm not sure what's hard to understand about having an overwhelming advantage on the airwaves doing what advertising typically does - shapes consumer behavior.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The people who swung the election voted for Trump. They also voted for Galego. Clearly they weren't voting along party lines and had thought about how they were voting.
So you think democrat or independent voters switched to vote for Trump.....why exactly? Could it be his policy? Kari Lake is basically a surrogate for Trump. How would these voters vote for Trump on policy (cause let's be honest, it likely isn't his personality), but then they wouldn't vote for Lake to help push & carry out his policies? This just doesn't make sense.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:06 pm to AZHorn
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I'm disagreeing that he could be almost as popular as Trump and get almost as many votes as he has gotten... He's a terrible fricking candidate, like I said, Kari wiped the floor with him in their debate.
Something to consider.
Just like everyone else, Arizonans watched the Biden/Harris administration burn the f'n country down. The open border and economy were #1 and #2 on the list of priorities for AZ voters and it wasn't hard to connect the dots that Trump in the WH rather than Harris could make a big difference in all our lives.
I think the calculus is different in the senate race. How many senators get the credit or blame for the economy, the border, etc., like a president does?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:06 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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So you think democrat or independent voters switched to vote for Trump.....why exactly?
Some people could have done so to vote against Kamala or just against this administration in general.
There was plenty of talk, even on this board, about voting for the lesser of two evils and that we aren't electing a pastor. I don't think it's too crazy to think that people made similar choices down ballot.
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