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re: On Trump and the First Amendment.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:16 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:16 pm to Pandy Fackler
Some guy at Taibbi's site put together a timeline that is not behind a paywall.
LINK
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The arrest and pending deportation of former Columbia University international student Mahmoud Khalil ignited a debate on free speech. Did the U.S. government target him for what he said, or is the government justified in saying Khalil is a threat to national security?
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Khalil emerges as a lead negotiator with Columbia University administrators during campus protests as a representative of Columbia United Apartheid Divest. The group’s mission includes “urging Columbia to divest all economic and academic stakes in Israel.” You can read the group’s demands and how it describes itself here.
He often spoke during press conferences, such as the video above from April 26, 2024, in which he says there’s an impasse on “our main demand, which is divestment from the Israeli occupation.” Students and non-students broke into Columbia’s Hamilton Hall building four days later and barricaded themselves inside. Khalil told the BBC that Columbia suspended him but reversed the decision after one day because “after reviewing the evidence, they don't have any evidence to suspend."
Khalil told CNN last year that he chose to do public speaking over participating in student encampments because he feared losing his student visa. He did participate in at least one march on Oct. 12, 2023.
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House Speaker Mike Johnson supports the arrest and pending deportation of Mahmoud Khalil, saying “this guy was apparently a mastermind” of violent protests at Columbia University.
“If you are on a student visa, and you're in America, and you're an aspiring young terrorist who wants to prey upon your Jewish classmates, you're going home. We're going to arrest your — tail, and we're going to send you home where you belong."
LINK
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 12:18 pm
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:19 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:I have yet to see this, but if it exists, ship him off
just so long as there's documented proof he's committed a crime or there's irrefutable evidence he supports Hamas
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:37 pm to Bunk Moreland
I read the entire link.
Here are some interesting passages...
There is no significant change in Khalil’s case after a hearing before U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman in New York. Khalil remains in an ICE detention center in Louisiana. Whether he remains there will be determined by Furman.
Khalil was served a notice while in custody Sunday to appear before an immigration judge there on March 27
So we'll start to know more the 27th.
Furman issued an order that gave the government until 11:59 p.m. Wednesday (March 12) to file a motion on the venue. The order sets out a schedule for both sides to file competing arguments through Monday, March 17.
So contrary to many on this board. It appears the government does indeed have to present a case for deportation.
This shite's going to be interesting to watch.
Here are some interesting passages...
There is no significant change in Khalil’s case after a hearing before U.S. District Judge Jesse Furman in New York. Khalil remains in an ICE detention center in Louisiana. Whether he remains there will be determined by Furman.
Khalil was served a notice while in custody Sunday to appear before an immigration judge there on March 27
So we'll start to know more the 27th.
Furman issued an order that gave the government until 11:59 p.m. Wednesday (March 12) to file a motion on the venue. The order sets out a schedule for both sides to file competing arguments through Monday, March 17.
So contrary to many on this board. It appears the government does indeed have to present a case for deportation.
This shite's going to be interesting to watch.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:38 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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just so long as there's documented proof he's committed a crime or there's irrefutable evidence he supports Hamas
I have yet to see this, but if it exists, ship him off
I agree.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 1:05 pm to Pandy Fackler
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To my knowledge he has not been accused of one single criminal act
He is the lead negotiator for a group that is seeking amnesty for their past actions. You don't seek amnesty for minor transgressions.
You also have plenty of support for Hamas in his past both abroad and locally, which probably means his visa and green card applications were falsified.
I wouldn't bet against ICE on this one. Take your licks and move on.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 1:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do green card holders have a right to be here?
What a stupid question. Thats the purpose of the green card.
What a stupid answer. They do not.
A green card is a privilege, not a right. One earns the privilege, and one can lose it through other actions. One does not have the rights a citizen has, or we would just call that a citizen.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 1:12 pm to tadman
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He is the lead negotiator for a group that is seeking amnesty for their past actions. You don't seek amnesty for minor transgressions.
You also have plenty of support for Hamas in his past both abroad and locally, which probably means his visa and green card applications were falsified.
I wouldn't bet against ICE on this one. Take your licks and move on.
Can you link the first emboldened part? I'd like to read more about that.
There's no licks for me to take here. The OP started a topic, and like everyone else I'm just chewing on it. It's an interesting story and it'll be interesting to see how it unfolds.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:34 pm to Pandy Fackler
It is truly bizarre to see the Woke Right shift so far to the left over their hatred of Jews that they are now supporting people who literally rape, torture, behead, and charbroil women, elderly, and children.
You are some disturbed fricks.
And trying to pass it off as a fricking first amendment issue.
China (via their X bots) has scrambled your brain.
You are some disturbed fricks.
And trying to pass it off as a fricking first amendment issue.
China (via their X bots) has scrambled your brain.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:41 pm to Bunk Moreland
One way not to get your green card revoked is to not break into schools and barricade yourself in, not threatening the Jewish student body, and not supporting piece of radical Muslims
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:49 pm to Hodag
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:54 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Glenn
It wasnt his "free speech" it was his "criminal acts" as a foreign terrorist thats getting him deported
Greenwald is a pro Hamas, American hating f_g, so he doesn't care about the facts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:04 pm to tadman
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They do not.
Absolutely do. It's the primary purpose of the card.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:08 pm to Hodag
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It is truly bizarre to see the Woke Right shift so far to the left over their hatred of Jews that they are now supporting people who literally rape, torture, behead, and charbroil women, elderly, and children.
You are some disturbed fricks.
And trying to pass it off as a fricking first amendment issue.
China (via their X bots) has scrambled your brain.
Got it. Excellent response man, really. You've given me something to think about and you've changed the dynamic of the thread with that post.
Have an upvote on me. Wow, I have to rethink everything now.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:14 pm to Pandy Fackler
And Marco has the right to pull his green card, which he did. 
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:19 pm to Hangit
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And Marco has the right to pull his green card, which he did.
Yes he does. When both sides present their case to an immigration judge, we'll see if Marco Rubio's determination stands.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:21 pm to Pandy Fackler
I hope this judge goes by rule of law, not who appointed him/her.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:24 pm to Hangit
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I hope this judge goes by rule of law, not who appointed him/her.
As do I. Whatever that "rule of law" may be. As a general rule however, immigration court tends to side with the government.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:38 pm to jbdawgs03
quote:If not, then what, exactly, is the purpose of a green card? Now, that doesn't mean that they can't have that right revoked for committing criminal offenses or violating other terms of their status. Citizens can have their rights revoked for the same things. That doesn't mean those rights don't exist for the rest of us that haven't committed crimes.
Do green card holders have a right to be here?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
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the obviously viewpoint-driven attempt to deport a Green Card holder for the crime of protesting
Pretty disingenuous line here.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They do not.
Absolutely do. It's the primary purpose of the card.
Nope, a green card is a "legal permanent resident card" formally and is used to register aliens that are on a path to citizenship. If that registered alien commits an "aggravated felony" as described by immigration law, which often is neither aggravated nor felony as criminal law defines it and often can be a trivial misdemeanor, the registered alien is subject to penalties often including deportation.
You are very clearly held to a stricter standard if you want to be on a path to citizenship here, which is a common concept for people on trial memberships to many groups such as but not limited to the learned professions and law enforcement.
Care to push this one further or are you content with your emoji use tonight?
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