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re: Oopsies, PoltiFact forgot to delete this.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:52 am to Giantkiller
Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:52 am to Giantkiller
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And he waved his hand over them the day he left office and said they were declassified. Because that's what the President can do.
A President cannot do that about those particular documents unless Congress gives authority to do so. National Defense is shared with Congress, Constitutionally.
I will not pretend to know every twist and turn of PRA and if it specifically allows for National Defense and Security records of that level to be simply taken home.
And you also are forced to take the DOJs word that they WERE there and I am not going to take their word.
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:53 am to Leto II
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Some are still missing, which really should concern you but it does not. Vladimir or the Saudis likely have it, probably still in the gift wrap.
Who says they are missing?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:58 am to Leto II
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History will not look kindly on people like you.
Maybe. But it’s not going to look kindly on you commie groomer freaks either.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:01 am to Leto II
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Some are still missing, which really should concern you but it does not. Vladimir or the Saudis likely have it, probably still in the gift wrap
So is there a SOP or not on documents for an exiting president? If there is then the DOJ can provide a signed off list inventorying the documents. Otherwise trying to build a case around a missing "murder weapon" isnt the best approach to hang your cockiness on.
And to think that on here there are some good people that support Desantis, that feed you with their upvotes. Not realizing you are just an everyday loser TDS stricken Pinko.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:04 am to Leto II
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Some are still missing, which really should concern you but it does not. Vladimir or the Saudis likely have it
This only proves what a total retard you are.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:14 am to GumboPot
I'm sure the left will forget about this, too.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:16 am to mmcgrath
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Too bad Trump never said anything when he was President then. Seriously, you guys are getting pathetic. Even declassified, he doesn't get to take military plans and nuclear secrets home as a parting gift to himself
BlueAnon is alive and well!
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:17 am to Bunk Moreland
The ACLU and I agree, for one of the few times. The Espionage Act is an abomination.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:19 am to Gifman
He’s a loon, but he is partially correct. The President cannot wave his hand, declassify nuclear related documents, and then show them to people who wouldn’t have original clearance for them.
I don’t think Trump did any of that though. IF he did it would be an issue for him for sure, but I don’t think he did.
I don’t think Trump did any of that though. IF he did it would be an issue for him for sure, but I don’t think he did.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:20 am to cubsfan5150
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Was he the president when he was supposedly discussing the Iranian attack plan?
Oh you guts really got him this time, this time, this time, this time, this time........
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:21 am to Fun Bunch
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He’s a loon, but he is partially correct. The President cannot wave his hand, declassify nuclear related documents, and then show them to people who wouldn’t have original clearance for them.
He absolutely can
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:21 am to cubsfan5150
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Was he the president when he was supposedly discussing the Iranian attack plan?
You realize all has to do is get a pal to say he did discuss it with him while still the POTUS?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:23 am to GumboPot
Ronbots and leftist are swarming this thread to fight on behalf of the DOJ. Pathetic.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 7:45 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:24 am to highanklesprain20
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Might wanna double check on the statutes regulating declassification of nuclear information.
The case law is clear. The president (which he was at the time) has plenary power to declassify or classify documents. That authority can and is frequently delegated, but ultimate authority rest with the CINC and no one else.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:25 am to Leto II
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Some are still missing, which really should concern you but it does not. Vladimir or the Saudis likely have it, probably still in the gift wrap.
Dude you need to get a handy from a Tranny and chill out. Unhinged doesn’t do you Justice!
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:27 am to Leto II
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Btw what did Jared and Ivanka get that $2 billion for from the Saudis?
And Hunter got what from the CCCP after flying on AF2 with his VP pops? Selective outrage sort of make a hypocrite.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:29 am to Strannix
No, he can’t. I use to think that but he definitely can’t.
Constitutional power over National Defense is shared with congress under Article 1 Section 8, and that includes declassification which needs to be codified for those docs. The Atomic Energy Act, among many other acts, passed by congress and signed by a President conceding control over classification, controls the process.
The President does have broad power in this regard but not absolute.
Do you really think a President could declassify let’s say our most secret advanced nuclear weapon documents, say “these are declassified”, and then show them to anyone he wants, including say Xi? Of course not.
Again, I don’t believe the DOJ.
Constitutional power over National Defense is shared with congress under Article 1 Section 8, and that includes declassification which needs to be codified for those docs. The Atomic Energy Act, among many other acts, passed by congress and signed by a President conceding control over classification, controls the process.
The President does have broad power in this regard but not absolute.
Do you really think a President could declassify let’s say our most secret advanced nuclear weapon documents, say “these are declassified”, and then show them to anyone he wants, including say Xi? Of course not.
Again, I don’t believe the DOJ.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:30 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The case law is clear. The president (which he was at the time) has plenary power to declassify or classify documents. That authority can and is frequently delegated, but ultimate authority rest with the CINC and no one else.
I don’t believe this to be true when it comes to National Defense documents.
Can you point me to the specific case law you’re referring to?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:48 am to Fun Bunch
Democrats live in an alternate reality.
Their side does exactly what they accuse Trump of doing.
Their side does exactly what they accuse Trump of doing.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:49 am to NotSDvTiger
There is no record of it. The one thing that happens at that level of government is voluminous record keeping because 70% of your life becomes CYA.
You CYA from your political competition
But, most importantly, you CYA to protect you from your " friends"
Whom did Trump communicate these declassifications to at the time he declassified? He was sloppy and unorganized and as a result stupid things come back to bite him on the arse.
Machiavelli is turning in his grave when the name Trump is mentioned.... "amatoriale!!!"
You CYA from your political competition
But, most importantly, you CYA to protect you from your " friends"
Whom did Trump communicate these declassifications to at the time he declassified? He was sloppy and unorganized and as a result stupid things come back to bite him on the arse.
Machiavelli is turning in his grave when the name Trump is mentioned.... "amatoriale!!!"
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