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re: Police don’t have a racism problem, they have an authoritarian...
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:54 am to CptRusty
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:54 am to CptRusty
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Maybe because it didn't occur until after a few riots?
This is not the case to argue that point. Chauvin was arrested pretty quickly, before the autopsy was even completed for goodness sake.
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:54 am to DeltaDoc
Police need better outreach efforts to black communities. Explain to them how to act when pulled over by the police and stop resisting.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:56 am to DeltaDoc
Police have a lot of problems:
1. Too much responsibility. There are too many laws they are tasked with enforcing which forces them to prioritize in ways that aren’t necessarily the best for public health.
2. Large percentages of Funding coming from ticket revenue and asset seizures. This creates the perverse incentive for police to prioritize their limited time and manpower to enforcement of laws that yield the most revenue, and to avoid enforcing laws that are more expensive or risky.
3. Lack of accountability for abuse of authority.
4. Not enough officers for the demand.
The fix is clear: untether police funding from police activities, end the war on drugs to greatly reduce the amount of policing needed and thus the number of officers needed, raise pay to attract better applicants, raise hiring standards to ensure better vetting of officers, and increase accountability to weed out abusers.
1. Too much responsibility. There are too many laws they are tasked with enforcing which forces them to prioritize in ways that aren’t necessarily the best for public health.
2. Large percentages of Funding coming from ticket revenue and asset seizures. This creates the perverse incentive for police to prioritize their limited time and manpower to enforcement of laws that yield the most revenue, and to avoid enforcing laws that are more expensive or risky.
3. Lack of accountability for abuse of authority.
4. Not enough officers for the demand.
The fix is clear: untether police funding from police activities, end the war on drugs to greatly reduce the amount of policing needed and thus the number of officers needed, raise pay to attract better applicants, raise hiring standards to ensure better vetting of officers, and increase accountability to weed out abusers.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:48 am to Wtodd
what comes before is irrelevant if you believe police should not use more force than required and that they should not exact revenge on or tune up a suspect
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:48 am to TigersSEC2010
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You do realize that they were given orders by the Democrat leaders to stand down? They have no choice but to stand by and watch the destruction.
Nah, they are pussies. They got they asses up in thurrrr whenever a White guy shot a looter in his pawn shop though!
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:12 pm to Wtodd
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the problem with LE is they don't know when they're going to get ambushed and they have to treat every encounter as if they will get ambushed.
Being taught to treat every citizen like they are out to kill you is part of the problem. They are going into every encounter with a me vs them mindset, even when they are dealing with the victims.
The number of times a cop is ambushed is statistically small, much like the number of times an unarmed person is killed by police. The pendulum swings both ways.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:24 pm to DeltaDoc
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Problem...
There is no other job in America that gives so much power to individuals with so few qualifications (outside of politicians, ironically).
There are issues with cops, as we saw during the COVID lockdown. The problem is the emotional bandwidth to handle the authority entrusted to them. Police need very real and frequent audits of their actions and psychological evals relative to their records.
Well this can't be. I was told conservatives and republicans back the blue, implying that we support law enforcement pretty much regardless of what they do. Isn't that pretty much what we have been told by democrats and libertarians forever?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:28 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Being taught to treat every citizen like they are out to kill you is part of the problem. They are going into every encounter with a me vs them mindset, even when they are dealing with the victims.
The number of times a cop is ambushed is statistically small, much like the number of times an unarmed person is killed by police. The pendulum swings both ways.
Then the people need to change 1st, not LE.
If you were LE would you take a chance that the person you're pulling over isn't going to ambush you? Of course you wouldn't bc you let your guard down 1 time, you're dead.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:33 pm to kingbob
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The fix is clear: untether police funding from police activities, end the war on drugs to greatly reduce the amount of policing needed and thus the number of officers needed, raise pay to attract better applicants, raise hiring standards to ensure better vetting of officers, and increase accountability to weed out abusers.
I regret I have but one upvote to give.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:34 pm to Wtodd
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Of course you wouldn't bc you let your guard down 1 time, you're dead.
I think he is trying to say that's statistically not true.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:41 pm to AUCom96
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The more "oversight" you layer onto police, just understand the less effective police you will have.
Accuracy>efficiency
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:58 pm to LSUconvert
Some jobs can’t have bad apples. Just like with pilots, doctors, and air traffic controllers, you can not have the rule of law in a system where bad cops are allowed to persist without consequences. The main impediment is the insane protections afforded to most classified civil service employees through public sector unions. Public sector unions should be abolished, their collective bargaining rights eliminated, and any rules preventing their hire/fire for any reasons save race, gender, religion, and political affiliation be eliminated. All government employees should be no more difficult to fire than a non-union private sector working stiff.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 2:00 pm to Midget Death Squad
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The authoritarian issue is not really an issue. Sure there are some bad dudes in the force, but that applies to any and every field of work.
Here's where I remind everyone of the Stanford Prison Experiment again.
It's not just having some "bad apples."
The barrel tends to spoil even good apples.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 2:01 pm
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