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re: Public School Funding Debates
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:42 am to Geauxgurt
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:42 am to Geauxgurt
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Bigger issues are wasting funds on trying to pass every kid rather than educating them
I firmly believe that they need to go back to vocational classes. Not all students want or need to aspire to go college. This notion that everyone needs a college education to succeed has led to a watering down of college educations, a staggering increasing the costs of education, and put up to 2 generations in debt for no reason. It is bad enough the Corona debt the kids will be saddled with and now add on the debt of "having to go to college"
It is plain dumb that you do not have a mechanical, auto, or some sort of agricultural option in some schools.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:44 am
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:45 am to sms151t
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firmly believe that they need to go back to vocational classes. Not all students want or need to aspire to go college
This is 1 of 2 things that need to be done...the other is stop trying to "teach" those that don't want to be taught and are in school solely bc they're supposed to be.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:46 am to Tigahhs97
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This is another big leftists talking point that inner city public schools are underfunded. Is that actually true?
It’s not true. In St. Louis Public Schools, $18,000 is spent per student/year. The liberals then “norm” the expenditures to rural districts and say it is way underfunded. And compare it to ultra wealthy districts that are spending $20k/student when that isn’t the norm at all.
I think Clayton (ultra-tony area) spends around $23k/student. But half the kids in Clayton don’t go to public school. And they could spend $15k per student and get the same outcomes.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:47 am to Wtodd
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This is 1 of 2 things that need to be done...the other is stop trying to "teach" those that don't want to be taught and are in school solely bc they're supposed to be.
My education plan would be called: LSCB
Leave some children behind.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:48 am to sms151t
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I firmly believe that they need to go back to vocational classes. Not all students want or need to aspire to go college.
What specifically in the minimum required high school education bothers you?
I think it is hilarious that people believe people are struggling in high school because it is college prep. I would say it is not college prep at all in at least the state of Louisiana.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:49 am to Colonel Flagg
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What specifically in the minimum required high school education bothers you?
Why are you framing the question this way?
Would the public and students be better served with additional vocational skills programs? Yes.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:50 am to the808bass
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Leave some children behind.
Exactly
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:52 am to the808bass
NCLB is not a bad thing, it was just implemented badly. Then you had a certain segment of teachers who hated the idea because of who proposed it, then they also tried to just teach for the testing, not education of the student. Just like Common Core though, it was what people had to do. My fault with Common core is that it was the most privatized way to try to educate and led to companies making fortunes by exploiting education.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:58 am to Colonel Flagg
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What specifically in the minimum required high school education bothers you?
Can you tell me what the standards are for the district you are asking about? Then I can tell you what I like and dislike about it for a student that may not want further education. Remember I will give you the viewpoint of a Title I school district.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:59 am to sms151t
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NCLB is not a bad thing, it was just implemented badly.
In other words, it was an idealistic program with good intentions. And then they tried to make it work.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:00 am to the808bass
Yes sir. When you have resistance from within nothing succeeds though. As I stated above you had teachers openly admitting they only taught for test results, not truly educating their students.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:00 am to the808bass
It is a basic education. They are not requiring college prep.
There are plenty of vocational programs/clubs in schools, vocational programs/clubs after school, and training after high school completion.
What are you advocating for? You want more vocational programs when we are graduating students who can’t read/write and perform math at very basic levels?
This also creates a very destructive cycle because we are not teaching students to a basic level of mastery so when they have children they do not have a level of mastery to teach and reinforce school instructions with their own kids.
Should everyone go to college? No they should not, but setting incredibly low expectations for an evolving world is setting up our society for extreme failure in the future.
There are plenty of vocational programs/clubs in schools, vocational programs/clubs after school, and training after high school completion.
What are you advocating for? You want more vocational programs when we are graduating students who can’t read/write and perform math at very basic levels?
This also creates a very destructive cycle because we are not teaching students to a basic level of mastery so when they have children they do not have a level of mastery to teach and reinforce school instructions with their own kids.
Should everyone go to college? No they should not, but setting incredibly low expectations for an evolving world is setting up our society for extreme failure in the future.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:03 am to sms151t
The "bad schools" are not bad due to underfunding, but because they are filled with lower IQ students, born to lower IQ and usually very irresponsible, single parents. This is just reality. Till this problem is solved, nothing will change.
I have taught college, and about 80 per cent of the students simply did not belong there. They can't write, can't reason, can't formulate coherent arguments. But they CAN come into class late, and ask stupid questions about Beyonce and Jay Z going to Cuba.
I have taught college, and about 80 per cent of the students simply did not belong there. They can't write, can't reason, can't formulate coherent arguments. But they CAN come into class late, and ask stupid questions about Beyonce and Jay Z going to Cuba.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:04 am to Colonel Flagg
I am advocating for options. The options of vocational learning has been stripped away due to NCLB and common Core. I also believe that each district not the state or federal government should apply what is best for their students. I can not be convinced that a bureaucrat in Little Rock or DC can tell me what is best for somebody in Rison, DeQueen, McGehee, Fayetteville, Bentonville, and Little Rock is the same.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:10 am to wutangfinancial
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The reason schools are underfunded is because of their pension liabilities. I would guess over 50% of all tax dollars for straight to pension funding. I've heard buy side mangers claim it's almost 70% in some areas like California.
^This and there are too many "administrator" positions. The ratio of actual teachers per administrator shrinks every year. Use to be a principal and vice principal, now there are multiple vice and every other special advocacy group deputy principals and staffs. Get rid of those positions and most schools are funded adequately.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:13 am to Colonel Flagg
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What are you advocating for? You want more vocational programs when we are graduating students who can’t read/write and perform math at very basic levels?
We’re doing that because we’re not teaching. Not because we’re teaching the wrong things.
Discipline in most failing schools has completely broken down. If you don’t fix that, you will never fix the mastery problem.
We’re employing teachers in these failing schools who are bordering illiterate. They can’t teach things they don’t know.
There’s a raft of problems. Picking out vocational programs as the whipping boy seems odd.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:14 am to Tigahhs97
Is the curriculum in public school = to private school? No, private schools should have better results.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:15 am to sms151t
Louisiana Core Minimum Requirements
4 English credits
4 Math credits
2 Science credits
2 Social Studies credits
.5 Health credit
1.5 PE credits
4 English credits
4 Math credits
2 Science credits
2 Social Studies credits
.5 Health credit
1.5 PE credits
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:18 am to wutangfinancial
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I would guess over 50% of all tax dollars for straight to pension
That seems unbelievable. It’s likely closer to 10% in Missouri.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:21 am to Colonel Flagg
Okay using your "core" requirements
Here is what my issue is....
Schools have to use specific educational programs designed by a conglomorate. This conglomerate has advocacy and lobbyist they have to pay. Which drives up the costs. Then they also have functions to sway your public officials to use their product which again dirves up the cost. Educational spending is not free market. Also you have leaders in Baton Rouge making decisions to use said programs that possibly cost too much money for T1 schools, but they ave no choice. Since this topic was about funding and spending and I sort of derailed it. I should bring it back to the OP intent somewhat.
Here is what my issue is....
Schools have to use specific educational programs designed by a conglomorate. This conglomerate has advocacy and lobbyist they have to pay. Which drives up the costs. Then they also have functions to sway your public officials to use their product which again dirves up the cost. Educational spending is not free market. Also you have leaders in Baton Rouge making decisions to use said programs that possibly cost too much money for T1 schools, but they ave no choice. Since this topic was about funding and spending and I sort of derailed it. I should bring it back to the OP intent somewhat.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 11:22 am
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