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re: Pump the breaks on a National Divorce
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:17 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:17 pm to USAFbamaFAN
You are SO cute!
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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you call that an ad hominem?
Yes, I do. You are clearly trying to devolve where this thread is going by attempting to point out the only personal things you can -my username, posts, etc. Pretty text book version of what it is.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:20 pm to redneck hippie
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But isn’t that why we have elections?
This is another common retort. "Well, we have elections, win the election."
But why? Why force two diametrically opposed groups of people to battle it out in an election when they could each govern themselves and have elections in those states settle more mild squabbles. Why waste time, money and energy on trying to bring compromise between two sides that have nothing in common?
Nobody does that anywhere else. Nowhere else would a state form around a bunch of people at each other's throats on the philosophy that they can have a winner-take-all contest every now and again to see who gets to dictate life to the other.
If you have a group of friends who fall into two (or more) camps on everything, have very little common bond and with one side that loathes the other, you're not going to continue to hang out together and just go "well, whoever outvotes the other can decide what we're doing tonight and the other side can eat shite." You're going to diverge into separate groups and go about your life.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:21 pm to redneck hippie
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But isn’t that why we have elections?
It's why we used to...but then we were talking about mostly slight differences.
That's the part failing to be addressed here. We are now SOOOOOOOO far apart that each time one party gains control, what they want to do is entirely the opposite of what half the country wants. Again...that is NOT where we were 60 years ago. Go and watch Nixon-Kennedy debates. Kennedy was basically screaming how fed control of Education would be a mistake, etc. Now, if you'd suggest getting rid of the Dept of Ed The Left would act like you were trying to go back to one room school houses or some inane shite.
Now...I'd be willing to first attempt to address this problem by cutting the size of the federal government by 80+% and restoring power to the states before calling it quits. That way you really would not have to care about what people in Oregon thought about what people in Florida were doing, and vice versa. But so long as the federal government is all powerful, and people with nothing in common with me from across the country can largely determine my future, then we have to have a serious conversation.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:22 pm to redneck hippie
quote:STOLEN ELECTIONS
So we’ve created a country where everyone is comfortable. There is almost zero unemployment. We all have plenty of food and are relatively healthy and live long lives.
Why are we going to war again?
SATANIC PSYCHOTIC BITCH TEARING THE SPEECH THE PRESIDENT IS GIVING TWO FEET IN FRONT OF HER
WEAPONIZING OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST ONE SIDE
PSYCHOTICS RAMMING HOAX IMPEACHMENTS DOWN THE PEOPLES THROATS
DEMOCRATS ROBBING EVERY BIT OF FREEDOM THAT THEY CAN
DEMOCRATS INSTIGATING RIOTS CAUSING MORE DAMAGE TO COUNTRY IN ITS HISTORY
EVERYTHING THE LOWLIFE PIECE OF SHITYE BARAK OBAMA EVER DID
DEMOCRATS HIRING ANTIFA AND BLM VIOLENCE AGENTS TO USE AGAINST AMERICANS
Oh yeah, THATS YOU, you lowlife piece of shite. GFY
DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY PEOPLE
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:23 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Now...I'd be willing to first attempt to address this problem by cutting the size of the federal government by 80+% and restoring power to the states before calling it quits. That way you really would not have to care about what people in Oregon thought about what people in Florida were doing, and vice versa. But so long as the federal government is all powerful, and people with nothing in common with me from across the country can largely determine my future, then we have to have a serious conversation.
Exactly. And the core of the issue is that one of the ideologies is fundamentally opposed - as part of its core beliefs - to letting the other make and live by its own rules. The modern left's ideology relies and centers on dictating and enforcing a set of beliefs on people who don't want it. It's by nature an aggressive and violent way of thinking - it's dependent on taking by force from those who have to distribute to those who don't.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:23 pm to USAFbamaFAN
The food and entertainment have to run out before we even start this conversation.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:23 pm to Pettifogger
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why should we keep the country together?
Why should we not? I hate to answer a question with a question, but going all-out and disassembling everything that the US is, has way more downfall that trying to correct it.
Idk, but a lot of posters on here are wanting something to happen that even they themselves absolutely would not contribute to in any way or form. If a civil war breaks out, >90% of this country would immediately have no idea what to do.
ETA: I’d like to keep my thinking on what’s going on in the country into more tangible means of improving the situation and not total war.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:25 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 12:09 am
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:25 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Yes, I do. You are clearly trying to devolve where this thread is going by attempting to point out the only personal things you can -my username, posts, etc. Pretty text book version of what it is.
Honestly, I did not think you were an alter until just now. Literally none of what you just claim happened in that post. I simply noticed a username I was unfamiliar with, and saw you'd had the account for going on a decade and were all animated about this topic, but somehow managed to not get involved any other time for 8 years.
It warranted the question.
Your kind of weirdly defensive posture about it though does make me assume the alter thing now.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:28 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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does make me assume
Idk what to tell ya, bud. Assume in one hand and well, you know the rest.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:29 pm to Pettifogger
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But why? Why force two diametrically opposed groups of people to battle it out in an election when they could each govern themselves and have elections in those states settle more mild squabbles. Why waste time, money and energy on trying to bring compromise between two sides that have nothing in common?
Yup. And again, this is where we used to be. As Americans, we had common ground. Sure, we disagreed on things, but in the end we were all Americans and we wanted what was best for OUR country.
No one can seriously think this is where we are now, so this is either an attempt to gaslight those o us who are tired of this fight, or just wildly naive.
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Nobody does that anywhere else. Nowhere else would a state form around a bunch of people at each other's throats on the philosophy that they can have a winner-take-all contest every now and again to see who gets to dictate life to the other.
If you have a group of friends who fall into two (or more) camps on everything, have very little common bond and with one side that loathes the other, you're not going to continue to hang out together and just go "well, whoever outvotes the other can decide what we're doing tonight and the other side can eat shite." You're going to diverge into separate groups and go about your life.
Exactly. To be honest, I'm not even mad at this point. I find much of what Canada does to be absurd, but so long as they stay there and don't try and force me to live under their rules, I can watch them as an oddity. and if I want to visit, then I'll follow their rules while I'm there, and then leave and be glad I'm home. I wish this same thing for Americans, of all sides.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:30 pm to USAFbamaFAN
If we had a National divorce then republicans would have control of 80% of this country in 5 years. Nobody with a job would want to live in the democrat half. Taxes would be crazy. Open borders with single payer healthcare and free college would fill the country up with freeloaders . Plus letting criminals run wild .
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:30 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Sure your Republican
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:31 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Whats that old line about the definition of insanity?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:33 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Why should we not? I hate to answer a question with a question, but going all-out and disassembling everything that the US is, has way more downfall that trying to correct it.
I don't know what this means. I mean, if you can't come up with a few credible arguments for why it makes sense for us to live under the same roof, isn't that an answer in itself?
Again, if all you've got is "it'll be really messy" that's fine. I'm not slighting you, but people who rest their case solely on that point need to say so.
The entire concept of national divorce is to avoid "total war". With civilized people, that should be possible. I'm not sure it is, because one side is adamant that the other side can't leave.
This should be the starting question: If we woke up tomorrow with no government in this land, with all of the same cultural and political and religious divides inherent in it, would it make sense to form a government with authority over the entirety of the geographic US?
The answer, of course, is no. And no reasonable person would say otherwise.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:34 pm to Pettifogger
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And the core of the issue is that one of the ideologies is fundamentally opposed - as part of its core beliefs - to letting the other make and live by its own rules. The modern left's ideology relies and centers on dictating and enforcing a set of beliefs on people who don't want it
Aren’t you completely dismissing the role of the judicial branch?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:34 pm to tide06
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Bureaucracies don’t peacefully reduce in size.
That's why I called it a "first attempt."
And here's the other problem with this. Let's just agree for a minute that's what would need to happen. That someone would have to go to DC and slash the Federal Government to the bone. What politician, even ones we "like," are going to run on a platform of, "Well...we need to reduce the power of DC almost entirely. so if you vote for me, I'm going to cut nearly all Federal Spending on programs and leave it up to individual states to decide what happens."
The person would IMMEDIATELY be the worst person in the world, who was trying to kill grandma, make our kids dumber, make us all sicker, ruins our lives, etc.
It's why I think the divorce is more likely, even though it's got tremendous hurdles. But all things considered, I'd be willing to try this first.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:37 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Just allow medium-sized (and up) cities to secede if they choose so, they can run their own affairs from trade to immigration, even banking.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 3:37 pm to USAFbamaFAN
We would t be make it a few year process and split the country up the left can have the east and west coast, the right gets Florida and all the gulf, the left can have all of Minnesota and the top strips of other states just to give them contiguous land. The left can have Hawaii and the right Alaska.
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