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re: Pump the breaks on a National Divorce
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:51 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Posted on 12/30/21 at 4:51 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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Also, the only mental gymnastics going on is you conflating on what’s going on in the US to the situation anyone of those countries were going through. They had it a hell of lot more rough to usher a split than what’s going on here.
Czech Republic separated peacefully from Czechoslovakia. Fact.
Slovakia separated peacefully from Czechoslovakia. Fact.
Montenegro separated peacefully from Serbia. Fact.
None of the nonsense and “but if this would have happened or this hadn’t happened” changes any of those realities.
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Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:01 pm to USAFbamaFAN
quote:A point I've made before.
On the other hand, Texas isn’t quite as ruby red as it used to be. It could go to the trouble of seceding and then one day find itself governed by the very Democrats it hoped to leave behind in the rest of the former United States.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:09 pm to tide06
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Nothing posted indicated forced relocation please stop making up straw men
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If you don’t like being in the newly established nation move within two years or you will lose your citizenship in the other nation.
Say again?
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:14 pm to tide06
This whole idea is ridiculous, but if you don't forcibly remove those with whom you disagree politically, how are you going to prevent your new country from possibly changing left or right?
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:23 pm to Indefatigable
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I’m not in favor of “Balkanization.”
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Except that your idea of homogenous communities within the United States can only result in hundreds of tiny new states.
What exception?
What I wrote was straight forward. You even quoted it.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:27 pm to USAFbamaFAN
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The only reason there was a peaceful split is because the USSR was failing anyway.
frick off with your if. You asked, he answered.
You sure are married to this subject for someone that disappeared for almost a decade.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:32 pm to jimmy the leg
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What exception?
What I wrote was straight forward. You even quoted it.
Yes I know. You pointed out that there were in fact homogenous communities in the United States. I agree, at the very granular level. My original comment presumed we were discussing actual, viable administrative divisions such as what happened in the nations I first quoted.
Splitting up at the county or congressional district level or smaller (which is where you’d have to drill down to to find homogenous political communities) is nothing short of Balkanization.
If you don’t support Balkanization, why bother making that point? We do not in fact have homogenous populations at the state level, or at any level where splitting up into two or three large nations makes sense. It would have to be dozens or hundreds.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:42 pm to Indefatigable
This was your post in reference to Montenegro being an example...
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Montenegro
These only occured peacefully because the Czechs and Slovaks (and the Montenegrins/Serbs) were already divided into culturally/racially/linguistically homogenous territories within the former countries. Those boundaries were already in place.
We have nothing approaching that.
I pointed out that there are countless “Montenegro” type enclaves here.
Was not part of your original post, or I wouldn’t have responded, as
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Montenegro
These only occured peacefully because the Czechs and Slovaks (and the Montenegrins/Serbs) were already divided into culturally/racially/linguistically homogenous territories within the former countries. Those boundaries were already in place.
We have nothing approaching that.
I pointed out that there are countless “Montenegro” type enclaves here.
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We do not in fact have homogenous populations at the state level, or at any level where splitting up into two or three large nations makes sense.
Was not part of your original post, or I wouldn’t have responded, as
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I don’t support Balkanization
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:47 pm to jimmy the leg
This is the fricking United States of America. Learn to live with each other
People are seeing the stupidity of crt, defunding police, Covid protocols
I think a lot of people are learning what it’s like to be free. That’s got lost because things have been good here for a lot of soft people
Biden is a huge wake-up call to this country. He’s an embarrassment. Have faith in American people
People are seeing the stupidity of crt, defunding police, Covid protocols
I think a lot of people are learning what it’s like to be free. That’s got lost because things have been good here for a lot of soft people
Biden is a huge wake-up call to this country. He’s an embarrassment. Have faith in American people
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:48 pm to jimmy the leg
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I pointed out that there are countless “Montenegro” type enclaves here.
Based purely on size, yes I suppose but that was never the point of the comparison, and isn’t really relevant. The entire point of the analogy is that there were two clear cut regions of a single nation that were already internally administratively and politically divided. Same with Czechoslovakia.
That made it very easy for both places to break up peacefully.
We do not have that on the scale necessary for a clean breakup to be viable. It would have to be either incredibly contested breakup on arbitrary lines, or the nation would have to shatter into a hundred pieces.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:51 pm to Indefatigable
It’s funny to read this thread from the beginning and watch you swing those goal posts
Posted on 12/30/21 at 5:56 pm to td01241
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It’s funny to read this thread from the beginning and watch you swing those goal posts
Huh? My point remains the same it was then. We have nothing anywhere close to the situation that Czechoslovakia or Serbia-Montenegro had.
I conceded that we have numerous small areas that are politically homogenous scattered throughout the country—but that is not what the aforementioned countries had.
This post was edited on 12/30/21 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:03 pm to Indefatigable
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We do not have that on the scale necessary for a clean breakup to be viable. It would have to be either incredibly contested breakup on arbitrary lines, or the nation would have to shatter into a hundred pieces.
I agree. Which is why I am not in favor of Balkanization.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:06 pm to MeatPants
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Have faith in American people
We will see.
One thing I stated repeatedly is that I have no faith concerning the integrity of the elections. That has not changed (at all).
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:20 pm to jimmy the leg
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One thing I stated repeatedly is that I have no faith concerning the integrity of the elections. That has not changed (at all).
Elections have been stolen before. 1824 / 1876 / 1960?
When possible, they will again.
As for gutting the Fed Gov't, and powers therein, I believe that is the future foundation of the Republican party.
Both parties are shifting and the issues driving policy for future voters are going to be about personal freedom.
How much say does the Fed really have over the citizens.
These are arguments that Republicans can win as the "freedom" party. And with a looming budget crisis, what better time to drastically make cuts. :-)
And then Trump may get his revenge against the estabilshment...
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:27 pm to USAFbamaFAN
Nope. We kicking those folks out
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:30 pm to USAFbamaFAN
I'm afraid the DIVORCE is already in place.....
BIDEN succeeded at one thing politcially in 50 years....
dividing the nation!
And it is irreversible, IMO.
BIDEN succeeded at one thing politcially in 50 years....
dividing the nation!
And it is irreversible, IMO.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 6:53 pm to USAFbamaFAN
You're right, but this is a message board, it allows people to be incendiary.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 7:20 pm to USAFbamaFAN
There isn’t a Republican Party, and not a Democratic Party…. there’s an elitist party that controls us all.
Do you really think Lindsey Graaham and Chuck Schumer hate each other? No… they’re in bed together as career politicians. Actors.
Do you really think Lindsey Graaham and Chuck Schumer hate each other? No… they’re in bed together as career politicians. Actors.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 7:23 pm to USAFbamaFAN
fricking alter go buy an ounce.
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