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Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52485 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:31 pm to
See, most learned and educated people realize that if you do not remember instead of try to erase your history then you're bound to repeat it.


Thanks for playing though.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42194 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:32 pm to
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- How ironic that many Americans who believe in the American 10th Amendment for the rights of Texas, or Mississippi, or North Carolina, etc., do not support Donbas’ and Crimea’s right to secede from that installed Ukraine regime


Using your logic since Texas, La. , Miss., Ala., and Florida didn’t want to be a part of a liberal Biden led government it would be OK for Mexico to invade the US to make things right? I know my analogy is absurd, but it’s about what you are saying. Russia had the moral right to invade their neighbor because they felt that Ukrainians should be able to choose which leadership they want depending on who is president.

The fact is Russia has been militarily involved in regime change in several other countries in this general area. Ukraine isn’t the first to suffer from the Russian Bear.

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127086 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:36 pm to
It is hard for people to believe that what Putin did was wrong and yet still not want to involve the U.S. in a regional conflict that we helped to create.

But it is possible.

Too nuanced of a discussion for this board.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26717 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:39 pm to
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Using your logic since Texas, La. , Miss., Ala., and Florida didn’t want to be a part of a liberal Biden led government it would be OK for Mexico to invade the US to make things right? I know my analogy is absurd, but it’s about what you are saying. Russia had the moral right to invade their neighbor because they felt that Ukrainians should be able to choose which leadership they want depending on who is president.

The fact is Russia has been militarily involved in regime change in several other countries in this general area. Ukraine isn’t the first to suffer from the Russian Bear.


Read again. His quoted comment mentions are suggest nothing about a country invading another country.

He is said you are a hypocrite. But of course you want it both ways.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:40 pm to


wow

America "invaded" Ukraine in 2013 to install regime change (maybe you've heard of that?)


The military industrial complex wants WWIII and they've wanted it for decades. All of this was intended to provoke Russia

People like you can truly not give a shite about innocent civilians killed and brutalized for the past 8 years, by the Western Ukraine installed regime, because you're lazy


it's ironic that you're working so hard right now to convince yourself of whatever it is you're arguing, just to alleviate the fact that you're a lazy historian
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:44 pm to
the American media owned by American oligarchs make sure that no one knows what America did was wrong

60 years now almost


war has been a 60 year old bank robbery of American taxpayers

the grand bank robbery
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127086 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

the American media owned by American oligarchs make sure that no one knows what America did was wrong

60 years now almost


war has been a 60 year old bank robbery of American taxpayers

the grand bank robbery



Wolfhound, remember the scam known as covid, and how small businesses were forced to shut down during "covid" but big business was "essential" and allowed to stay open and make huge profits?

and remember how the little man had to blow life savings and dip into retirement money just to get their families by financially?


and in many cases then, the big dogs swooped in and bought up property from the small man who needed to sell to get by?



grand bank robbery
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:52 pm to
Yes sir! A great American!


Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12761 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:58 pm to
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The U.S. picked the hill for Ukrainians to die on.


bullshite. They were dead the moment they couldn’t get a lifeline into NATO. So they did the next best thing and bribe our politicians, which has nearly led us all into nuclear war.
Posted by Dustydubs
Member since Mar 2020
490 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:07 pm to
Don’t know any conservatives that care much about any of this. Russia or Ukrainian. Neither are our enemies. Our enemies are here in the us. Our war will be here.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:13 pm to
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For 8 years, the western media has simply not covered the massacres and sanction-based starvation of Donbas people by the installed globalist and Nazi government, same as the western media has not covered the Yemen war started indirectly by us


Some actually did, they just reversed positions, just like their government told them to do.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:16 pm to
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Well I certainly don’t trust most of the high school dropouts that post on this board to educate me on complicated issues


Weird. I’ve noticed that these people are the most grounded in reality
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:18 pm to
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Russia or Ukrainian. Neither are our enemies. Our enemies are here in the us.



those who installed the Kiev govt in 2013 are those same you speak of here


this same smear was happening against Assad in Syria mid-decade, and one reason the PTB's hated Trump so much was he threw water on their flame

he maneuvered out of it pretty skillfully IMO, some would disagree, but we avoided a war that we actually fricking instigated in the first place

that's why we had The View idiots and every menopause Karen bitch from daytime TV screaming bloody murder about Trump Something Something


I'm guessing many here still don't want to accept "we" created ISIS and that "the white hats" were mercenary ISIS kill squads

we want Syria for a pipeline

we want Iran for a pipeline

etc etc
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:19 pm to
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Odd that every argument you make has only been supported by Russian State media


That’s not even true. Plenty of people in the US were calling this since 2014. They detailed exactly what was going on and what was going to happen. They were right
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:21 pm to
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You gotta hate when even the Jews have become Nazis.


George Soros, Klaus Schwab
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:24 pm to
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bullshite. They were dead the moment they couldn’t get a lifeline into NATO. So they did the next best thing and bribe our politicians, which has nearly led us all into nuclear war


You are wrong about this. What’s happening now can all be traced back to the US. You need to do some serious reading about how we got here. Everyone is influenced by the pack of lies we are constantly fed.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
48947 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:33 pm to
Careful Timmy, when we tell the truth we're in danger of being labeled as "boomers"
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127086 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 6:47 pm to
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Some actually did, they just reversed positions, just like their government told them to do.
That is the most concerning part. They change their position on a whim.
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