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re: Ramifications of school choice
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:11 am to wareaglepete
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:11 am to wareaglepete
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Will it get kids better educations, or will it make good schools worse?
The parents that care about their child's education are the ones that would be sending their kids to other schools, not the ones that don't GAF. It's essentially sacrificing the bad apples that have no shot anyways for the minority of children that are their to learn.
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Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:13 am to saints5021
Say you teach 5th grade and you get a class where most of the students have not advanced past a 3rd grade level. You could be the best teacher in the world, but you are never going to have those kids at a 5th grade level when they leave your class. Is that your fault?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:22 am to teke184
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The thread the other days has talked about kids being little hooligans and threatening to stab teachers who don’t offer extra credit. The administration said “give them the option.”
Right. And it was from the perspective of a person who went into that school believing they could "make a difference".
Motivated people have options. Where do you get these new adminstrators and teachers willing to go into these anarchist environments and spend their time and energy trying to "reach" unmotivated, stupid, violent assholes?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:27 am to Numberwang
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Pray-tell....how do you "fix" shitty schools?
fire under performing teachers and administrators and get rid of teacher unions, they only exist to prevent bad teachers and poor administrators from getting fired that prevents schools from ever getting better
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:29 am to trinidadtiger
The problem is government dollars given out in the form of vouchers will come with strings attached regarding what must be taught. The rules of private schools that allow expulsions, etc. will be forced to change. Once those schools get to 20% voucher students, when the government says "jump!" the school will ask "How high?"
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:30 am to trinidadtiger
Psssh, we’ll just get the LSP to design one of their great post game contra flow designs and it’ll be like being on Elon Musk’s tele-porter tube.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:32 am to Numberwang
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Pray-tell....how do you "fix" shitty schools
We moved 300 miles north into the East Tennessee mountains with some of the best public schools in the country. So far that method seems to be the best. Even the private school in my town in Ga was a shithole.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:34 am to Zarkinletch416
School choice doesn't work. Go to school where you live
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:45 am to keakar
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fire under performing teachers and administrators and get rid of teacher unions, they only exist to prevent bad teachers and poor administrators from getting fired that prevents schools from ever getting better
In bad schools, bad teachers are only have the problem. The shitty kids are generally a bigger issue.
I always liked the tiered educational systems.
Pre-K through 4th grade everyone gets the same education and are given a standardized placement test. Starting in 5th grade you go to remedial or on track or advanced schools. Every 2 years you retest and can move up or down. The top 10% get free university. The middle group gets free 2 years of college or vocational school. The bottom 30% that graduate get a highschool diploma and the ones that don’t get zero government benefits.
Best and brightest get the best teachers and best chance to succeed, the average student get 2 years of higher education to help them along. Those that education is wasted on but complete the minimum get a minimum degree. Those that don’t do the minimum don’t get to suck the government teat.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 3:35 pm to Smokeyone
I've worked at public schools in both urban areas that service low income families and a school in a upper middle class/wealthy area. The faculty at the lower income school was more competent and harder working. It's not a bad teacher=bad school issue. It's an issue of a good portion of kids that attend failing schools have awful home lives. School is not viewed as a place to learn, but a babysitting service. Many of these kids have serious mental health issues that lead to problematic and sometimes violent behavior. I loved that I was able to make a difference, but constantly being beat up and cursed out by kids will contribute to major burn out. It will always be a major problem to recruit and keep qualified teachers in these types of environments.
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