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Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:57 pm to HeadLightBanDit
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People that mix politics and religion scare the shite out of me.
The two are inseparable. If you’re going to be an atheist (roughly 6% of the population), then, as in politics, you should be more concerned with aligning with the lesser of evils.
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Politics is about governance through rational compromise.
Surely you’re not that naive.
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But Christian Conservatives believe they are acting in the name of God.
So do Muslims and Jews. See point 1.
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How can you begin to compromise with others if you have THAT kind of world view???
Of the three (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) who are you more afraid of- and why?
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If they truly believe this is the end times and the rapture is really imminent, just fukin shut up and quit worrying about politics and quit voting.
Funny thing- this was basically the point of Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians. Not necessarily politics, but that they were basically giving up on life because they thought they had either missed the rapture, or that the rapture was imminent; and the n either case were not performing daily duties. Paul was warning us against this. We are to live as though Christ may return any moment, and simultaneously as though it may be a thousand years.
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Trust in the magical sky daddy.
So tiresome.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:43 pm to HeadLightBanDit
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Politics is about governance through rational compromise. But Christian Conservatives believe they are acting in the name of God.
frick em. Believe in your own spirituality. Try to live by the golden rule (do unto others as you would want done to yourself) and don’t let other people trigger you.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:51 pm to Prodigal Son
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Funny thing- this was basically the point of Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians. Not necessarily politics, but that they were basically giving up on life because they thought they had either missed the rapture, or that the rapture was imminent; and the n either case were not performing daily duties. Paul was warning us against this. We are to live as though Christ may return any moment, and simultaneously as though it may be a thousand years.
Hey bud, I think you may have missed something important, but I do think you are aware of it.
In chapter 4, Paul is trying to console them because they did think they may have missed the parousia or the metamorphosis. The Thessalonians believed they would be “changed” (into glorified pneumatic bodies) in their lifetime. They didn’t believe that any of them were going to die. That was the issue. Paul had to tell them - well acktually the dead will be resurrected and then all of you who are still alive will get your spiritual bodies.
I’m not alleging you didn’t know that but I thought for others’ reading you were missing some context.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:54 pm to dickkellog
quote:quote:nope it comes from Thessalonians 4:13–18 not revelations it was discovered by john nelson darby in the 1830's been there the whole time just he was the one who figured it out just like magic! continuing the long historical protestant tradition of making up doctrine as they go along.
as prophesized in Revelations
You guys
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:58 pm to The Pirate King
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If your "Bible study" doesn't think the Bible is real, then you're not a real Bible study.
Yeah, and if you don’t believe Oedipus really killed his father and married his mother, you can’t study Sophocles.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:33 pm to Crimson1st
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Correct nor is the explicit word Trinity BUT the conceptual aspects of both are there...
Why would you think that?
Is it that Jesus was made low, with no magic powers? Is it that Jesus had no will of his own (only that of his father)? Was it that Jesus didn’t know when he would return (except only the father)? Was it that Jesus was the firstborn of creation - a created being? Was it Jesus praying to his father, and accusing his father of forsaking him? What about the father being greater than Jesus? Or was it the one where Jesus will be subject to the father? Maybe it’s the verse about the head of Christ being God the Father? Or maybe it was the one about Jesus telling a man not to call him good, because there is none good but God alone? Maybe it was the one about no one has ever seen God (but they would have seen Jesus)? I bet it’s the one about Jesus being a mediator between God and man.
With so many great verses from which to choose, which one would you say is the best at proving Jesus is uncreated, not made, co-equal to the father and a component of the one true God?
Will your response be John 1:1 or maybe Matthew 28:19?
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:56 pm to Taurus 357
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frick em. Believe in your own spirituality. Try to live by the golden rule (do unto others as you would want done to yourself) and don’t let other people trigger you
So, exactly as Christ said. Because He’s the one who said that.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:32 am to TexasForever81
quote:quote:So, exactly as Christ said. Because He’s the one who said that.
Try to live by the golden rule (do unto others as you would want done to yourself) and don’t let other people trigger you
The Egyptians were painting the golden rule on hieroglyphics back around 2000 BCE. By around 400 BCE, hundreds of years before Jesus, the golden rule had been recorded (for us to later find) in Greece, in Hinduism, in Confuciusism and Buddhism.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:46 am to mudshuvl05
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No, it's the literal definition of the second coming.
Yes, the rapture is part of the second coming. Good job!
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:02 am to Squirrelmeister
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The Egyptians were painting the golden rule on hieroglyphics back around 2000 BCE. By around 400 BCE, hundreds of years before Jesus, the golden rule had been recorded (for us to later find) in Greece, in Hinduism, in Confuciusism and Buddhism.
So just to understand. The one who said fk them in regards to Christian’s voting based on their belief……. Also quoted what Christ said.
And somehow you think it’s important that Egyptians said it before? Does it make him quoting Christ in that instance any less ironic?
Cool gotcha moment……. I guess? Did you slap your knee and say got eem as you typed that?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:26 am to Squirrelmeister
John 8:58
John 10:30
John 14:9
John 20:28
Revelation 22:13
Psalm 23 will help you with your forsaken confusion
You don’t have a good understanding of anything. You pick these verses and don’t understand or purposely ignore meaning. Likely the latter.
Good teacher is what Jesus rebuked.
First born of creation. Look up the Greek
Made low because he left a throne to walk with his creation
You sing the same old song every time and I get wrapped up in it. No idea why.
There were two men named Lazarus the Bible. Etc etc. your same tired attempted gotchas every time.
Have a happy thanksgiving.
John 10:30
John 14:9
John 20:28
Revelation 22:13
Psalm 23 will help you with your forsaken confusion
You don’t have a good understanding of anything. You pick these verses and don’t understand or purposely ignore meaning. Likely the latter.
Good teacher is what Jesus rebuked.
First born of creation. Look up the Greek
Made low because he left a throne to walk with his creation
You sing the same old song every time and I get wrapped up in it. No idea why.
There were two men named Lazarus the Bible. Etc etc. your same tired attempted gotchas every time.
Have a happy thanksgiving.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 4:56 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes, the rapture is part of the second coming. Good job!
Christ will return once. It is describing that singular arrival. He's not giving imjustafatkid and the Southwest Shreveport Baptist Church special treatment over the rest of humanity.
Your rapture was made up by a man in the 1830s after a woman named Margaret MacDonald had a vision, and developed it into a detailed theological system called rapture theory (under the umbrella of the larger system named dispensationalism). That's right: Your beloved rapture's precursor was a woman who had a vision. You know who else had visions? Jim Jones and Kenneth Copeland.
Again, if you walked up to Paul in 63 AD and started talking to him about the rapture, he'd look at like your head was sown to your shoulder. He'd definitely be sending your church who instilled that apostasy into your theology a letter starting with, "Greetings, from Paul."
You realize all of the above is not up for debate, right? Just like the canonical Bible didn't fall from the sky outside of history, neither did rapture theory. It's a very bad theology made up by a man less than 200 years ago after a young girl had a vision. It will cause people to lose their faith altogether once they realize they're not getting preferential treatment, therefore it is apostasy, as it will result in making apostates.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:16 am to BCreed1
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Hard to imagine the USA under islamic laws, but what or rather who will be left to fight it?
Don’t you think that a few billion Christians, suddenly disappearing might shake up the faith of the Muslims who remain?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:38 am to Penrod
To put it in really simple terms for people to smart to realize it, whole lot of people are gonna have a oh shite moment when that day arrives, and make no mistake it is coming, and a lot of "so called Christians" are not gonna be part of the rapture,
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:49 am to ole man
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To put it in really simple terms for people to smart to realize it, whole lot of people are gonna have a oh shite moment when that day arrives, and make no mistake it is coming,
No it’s not.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:56 am to Squirrelmeister
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I’m not alleging you didn’t know that but I thought for others’ reading you were missing some context.
Hm. I thought I covered that. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up. Did you see my earlier post (in this thread, page 11) about how Islam is taking over? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on that.
ETA: what I thought I’d covered was the imminent versus non-imminent aspect of the rapture. Not the resurrection, body aspect.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 7:03 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:59 am to BCreed1
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The Didache, 70 AD
No, the rapture, as understood by modern evangelical theology, was not discussed in The Didache.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:19 am to Penrod
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Don’t you think that a few billion Christians, suddenly disappearing might shake up the faith of the Muslims who remain?
Not a chance. Have you ever talked to one? They believe the Quran- which is chock full of irreconcilable internal contradictions, scientific and historical errors, and was “written” (dictated) by an illiterate 7th century child molesting warlord- is the word of God. It’s ironic- Islam and the Quran actually are everything that atheists accuse Christianity and the Bible of being. And yet they embrace it fully.
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