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re: Rapture Ready
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:50 am to Prodigal Son
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:50 am to Prodigal Son
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Islam is a works based religion- the opposite of Christianity.
Christianity for the vast majority of its adherents on earth is a works based religion too. It’s only a minority based in the American South think they don’t have to do shite but believe in Jesus. quote:
The only problem with Christianity is that most of its adherents don’t actually follow Christ’s teachings.
Like Foo, who rejects Jesus’ teachings in favor of Paul (Simon Magus)… the “Jew” who rejects the Jewish Law. That dumbass doesn’t even see the hypocrisy. All of the stuff Jesus said to do in his sermon on the Mount, Foo throws that shite in the trash.
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The biggest problem with Islam, is that they do follow the teachings of Muhammad
PS, this may come as a surprise, but the evidence strongly leans towards Mohammed being a fabricated character that they used to justify the Arab conquest of the Middle East and North Africa by saying “look we have this book from this prophet who talked to Allah’s messenger that told us we have to conquer the Middle East and North Africa.”
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If Christians were as good at being Christians as Muslims are at being Muslims, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Those people are devout and they want to serve the invisible man who walks on the dome of the firmament. They want to believe, and do. Why wouldn’t the one true God set them straight, if he existed?
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They are indoctrinated from birth
Sounds like others I know who aren’t Muslim.
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They don’t assimilate. Everywhere they go, they out-breed and subjugate the natives
That’s our problem. We are the dumb ones who let them all in and have them welfare.
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They’re also the dumbest people on earth- largely due to inbreeding
That seems like a comment a bit out of character for you.
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If you’re counting on them changing, I suggest you do a brief study of their history.
Look, I’ve been to the Middle East a handful of times for work and have worked here with guys from probably every country in North Africa. The educated well to do ones are mostly like me are lean towards atheism. They don’t want to proclaim themselves to be atheist publicly, like me, because it has social consequences. One of them recently told me he has no idea if Allah exists but that he has to believe in something (as I am presenting myself to be an open-minded Christian). I firmly believe that after several generations of educated Muslims with high standard of living like ours, they’ll definitely drop the radicalism and they’ll begin to drop Allah altogether, as western Christians have already begun to do over the last couple of generations.
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Take a trip to Dearbornistan.
I’m good, thanks though
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48 mosques have been built in Texas in just the last two years. They are a cancer. An extremely dumb, but highly motivated cancer. They’re not interested in science, education, or improved (by our standards) standards of living.
That is unfortunate, but why are we letting them in?
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Paul’s letters came 20 years after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. I’m pretty sure that by the time the NT was being written, the writers understood what Jesus was saying all along: BE ready. 2 Peter chapter 3 (among many others) makes this abundantly clear.
That’s an apologetic way to explain away what the text says, but I don’t get distracted that easily. Paul’s letters and the gospels are crystal clear that they believed some of their followers wouldn’t die before the general resurrection. 2 Peter was written mid second century by someone pretending to be Peter in order to fool well meaning guys like you 1800 years later.
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Sound familiar? This was likely written 30 years after the resurrection. Last days?
Well you’re allowed to believed whatever you want but your being kind of Muslim-y towards this letter. Most scholarship I’ve read on this topic shows that the preponderance of evidence is that 2 Peter not only is pseudepigrapha but it also the very last book of the NT to have been written, and dates to “at least” the mid to late second century. I’m not taking what they say on faith because I want to believe one way or another. No, I’ve poured through the evidence myself - the evidence they point out in their scholarly works.
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We both have faith
No, only one of us has faith.
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You want to believe in abiogenesis, for example.
I don’t “want” to believe anything in particular, except what is evidently real and true. Abiogenesis may or may not be true. Whether it is true or not has no bearing on the Bible, which is completely mythical and contradictory to known truths of our reality.
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You have faith that science will solve this problem
PS, science isn’t my “god”. No faith.
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You also want to believe that the Christian God doesn’t exist
It’s not that I want to or don’t want to believe. I know with certainty that the mythical creatures known as El Elyon/ton Theon, Yahweh/Jesus/Logos/Melchizedek, and the rest of them are figments of man’s imagination. Sorry.
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 7:59 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Christianity for the vast majority of its adherents on earth is a works based religion
Perhaps I should clarify. I’m all about works. Without them- you probably are not in good standing. That said, your works are not what “saves” you- they are evidence of your “salvation”
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It’s only a minority based in the American South think they don’t have to do shite but believe in Jesus.
Arguable. But not the focus of this conversation.
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Like Foo,
Nah. Foo is good. You just genuinely hate the man- because he doesn’t cut you any slack. I’d be willing to bet that his list of “works” outweighs many, if not most. I don’t question his dedication. But, again, not the focus of this conversation.
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this may come as a surprise, but the evidence strongly leans towards Mohammed being a fabricated character
Not at all. We are in agreement. The sources are ridiculously late (200-300 years), the Quran screams “I’m man made,” and even the “early” sources are so vague. There was no ability to spell Muhammad in the 7th century- there were no vowels in Arabic text at the time.
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Those people are devout and they want to serve the invisible man
They serve the doctrine of demons. It’s well documented (and later Muslim apologetics deny) that even Muhammad believed he was speaking to demons.
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Why wouldn’t the one true God set them straight, if he existed?
Good question. Probably for the same reason He hasn’t set the Jews, the Hindus, and the atheists straight. We all love a good plot twist.
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Sounds like others I know who aren’t Muslim.
Catholics. I hear ya. Definitely on par with the indoctrination.
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That’s our problem. We are the dumb ones who let them all in and have them welfare.
Yeeeeup. Destroyed by our own ideology. Ironically (for you), the only thing that can save us from it is true Christianity.
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That seems like a comment a bit out of character for you.
Harbor no ill will towards the individual. It’s just a fact. They are dumb. They take all the miracles of the Bible, and then add crap like “Muhammad flew to the moon on a donkey and split it in two and then sewed it back together.“
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They don’t want to proclaim themselves to be atheist publicly, like me, because it has social consequences
That’s an understatement.
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I firmly believe that after several generations of educated Muslims with high standard of living like ours, they’ll definitely drop the radicalism and they’ll begin to drop Allah altogether,
There’s your answer to the question of why we keep letting them in.
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western Christians have already begun to do over the last couple of generations.
The pendulum is swinging back.
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That is unfortunate, but why are we letting them in?
Because being an enemy of the one true God makes for strange bedfellows.
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That’s an apologetic way to explain away what the text says
Is it not sensible?
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2 Peter was written mid second century by someone pretending to be Peter in order to fool well meaning guys like you 1800 years later
Listen to yourself. So full of confident faith. 2 Peter was written around 67 AD.
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I’m not taking what they say on faith because I want to believe one way or another
That’s a tacit admission to the contrary
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No, only one of us has faith.
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I don’t “want” to believe anything in particular
Malarkey. You need to believe that God doesn’t exist in order to justify your position.
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PS, science isn’t my “god”. No faith
No. You are your god. Science is the medium through which you venerate yourself.
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It’s not that I want to or don’t want to believe
Pascal’s wager says otherwise.
I do enjoy our conversations. I hope you have a great thanksgiving. More than that, I hope swallow your pride and put Jesus on the throne of your life.
ETA: I think you might enjoy this, Harald.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 11/26/25 at 8:10 pm to EasterEgg
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Matthew 24:40-41: "Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left".
Yes. The one taken is the person not worthy of staying here on earth in the “new Heaven”. Christ and his followers are staying right here.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 8:11 pm to BCreed1
The rapture is a concept of man, stop being ridiculous.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 8:12 pm to BCreed1
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That event would suddenly make Islam the largest and most dominant.
So, basically hell
Posted on 11/27/25 at 5:15 am to Prodigal Son
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Perhaps I should clarify. I’m all about works. Without them- you probably are not in good standing. That said, your works are not what “saves” you- they are evidence of your “salvation”
But that is only a Pauline position, and it sounds like you are repeating Foo’s apology. The gospel authors rebuke Paul over and over. Good teacher what must I do to inherit eternal life? Keep the commandments, sell all your stuff and give the money to the poor, and follow me. In Matthew 7 Jesus says not everyone who believes in him - calling Lord, Lord - will be saved, but only those who keep the commandments and do the will of his Father in heaven. How can you ignore all of that? Jesus himself, not Paul, is literally saying it’s not enough to believe, but you have to do good deeds and your actions have consequences.
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Foo is good. You just genuinely hate the man- because he doesn’t cut you any slack
I dislike him because he’s a passionate idiot. He tries to argue that taking a staff and not taking a staff is the same thing. He’s a lunatic.
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The sources are ridiculously late (200-300 years), the Quran screams “I’m man made,” and even the “early” sources are so vague.
Ok great, now if you could apply that same skepticism, evidence, and logic, to a certain other someone, then we’d really be cooking!
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They serve the doctrine of demons. It’s well documented (and later Muslim apologetics deny) that even Muhammad believed he was speaking to demons.
Fun fact: until Christianity really kicked off in the 4th century, the Greek word “daimon” simply meant a supernatural spirit being and was used interchangeably with “theos”.
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Good question. Probably for the same reason He hasn’t set the Jews, the Hindus, and the atheists straight. We all love a good plot twist
Well shame on him if he has the power and authority to show people and he doesn’t. The Jews, Hindus and Atheists don’t “reject” him as Foo would say, we simply don’t believe in his existence. All he’d have to do is show his existence. The Jews and Hindus and Muslims really do want to believe in something,.. give them the “correct” thing to believe in and they’d jump on it.
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They take all the miracles of the Bible, and then add crap like “Muhammad flew to the moon on a donkey and split it in two and then sewed it back together.“
Damn.
but you know it doesn’t say any of that crap, right? But you are OK with Paul flying up to the third heaven, and Elijah riding a flying chariot with horses of fire up into heaven on a whirlwind, and the talking donkey of Baalam? quote:
There’s your answer to the question of why we keep letting them in.
Maybe we shouldn’t take that chance. Maybe I’m wrong about that?
too much to risk it. quote:
Listen to yourself. So full of confident faith. 2 Peter was written around 67 AD.
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You need to believe that God doesn’t exist in order to justify your position.
There is no need. My position is justified by the evidence. The Bible says we are on a flat disc with a solid crystalline dome on top holding back a sky ocean and it’s all 6000 years old. What we know about actual reality dispels all those silly myths.
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I hope you have a great thanksgiving.
Same to you, my friend.
ETA:
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15And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
So the author of 2 Peter is referencing a corpus of Paul’s letters, which weren’t collected, published, and distributed for the first time by Marcion of Sinope until about 140CE. There are many indicators that 2 Peter was written around 150CE but this is one of the strongest pieces of evidence.
I have argued many times on here that Christianity started out as a celestial Jesus coming down from the highest heaven and being killed in the lowest heaven by the archons of this aeon. This was the Jesus of Paul - never on earth, and only known through revelations/visions and through reinterpretations of Old Testament scripture. The gospels telling tales of Jesus on earth, all written post 70CE and some edits approaching 200CE, were mythical tales meant to convey deeper meanings, exactly as the Egyptians wrote the gospels telling tales of Osiris dying on earth to convert new initiates while the mature knew the “reality” of the celestial Osiris who died in heaven.
From Plutarch De Iside et Osiride 358C:
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For Osiris does not die as a god in the true sense; rather, whatever parts of him cannot escape the air and remain in it, these Isis collected and put together and mingled in men’s minds in the form of a mythic tale, making of every death an image and symbol of eternity.
And in 359C:
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Many people think that Osiris is buried in the earth and rises again … but those who have a deeper knowledge say that the stories told about him are not events that happened at one time, but are symbols of the powers and changes that occur in the universe.
So there’s precedence a few skips away from Jerusalem where a cult invented a story of something celestial taking place on earth. That’s a pretty good established prior probability that that kind of thing was going on.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:44 am to PurpleandGeauld
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I can't say when, but in some form or fashion, living people will be miraculously, instantaneously, transformed into immortal beings. Many believe the "restrainer" (prevents the Anti-Christ from being publicly revealed) is the Holy Spirit, so it is believed that the Holy Spirit would not be removed from Christians, hence the rapture occuring before the revealing of the Anti-Christ.
I was with you until you went all pre-trib bro. Paul told the church in Thessalonica that that day would NOT come until the Antichrist was revealed in the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet. Christ ALSO told the Church to look for the Abomination of Desolation.
The Rapture will take place somewhere in the midst of the Tribulation. Only the Laodicean Church Age would scoff at that.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 9:37 am to Prodigal Son
Cont. from earlier post (ran out of characters).
In Mark, the author writes:
He’s screaming “Helloooo! This is not to be taken literally! This entire thing is one big parable!”
But some, like the author of 2 Peter (who conclusively is not the same person who wrote 1 Peter- simply by analyzing the syntax and vocabulary among other things), took the bait and took it literally. He then has to argue this… to another group of Christians.
So whoever wrote this author a letter is saying (my paraphrasing based on how it likely was written)
The earliest Christians like Philo believed the Logos was the image of the invisible God, firstborn of creation, through whom all things were made, the high priest of God’s temple on the order of Melchizedek, was the son of God, was God’s great angel, was Yahweh of the Jewish scriptures who sometimes appeared in human form, was the mediator between God and mankind, was the sole means of reconciling man to God and hence responsible for the salvation of mankind. Peter, James, and Paul took it up a notch and said that great angel Yahweh took on a body of flesh as a final sacrifice! Everything else was the same as Philo’s edition.
Decades later, after the destruction of Jerusalem, the mythical tales began to take shape, with Marcion publishing the first (proto-Luke) around 140CE. The other gospels were created and edited and circulated as a response to Marcion. Then people started taking it all literally and we ended up with the letter of 2 Peter and you guys believing the fantasy is real.
Now go eat some turkey.
In Mark, the author writes:
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10And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12so that “‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”
He’s screaming “Helloooo! This is not to be taken literally! This entire thing is one big parable!”
But some, like the author of 2 Peter (who conclusively is not the same person who wrote 1 Peter- simply by analyzing the syntax and vocabulary among other things), took the bait and took it literally. He then has to argue this… to another group of Christians.
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16For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
So whoever wrote this author a letter is saying (my paraphrasing based on how it likely was written)
quote:We don’t have that letter, because it wasn’t preserved, but we know the author of 2 Peter was responding to that accusation.
look dude Jesus died in outer space (in the heavens, killed by the archons). None of those mythical tales of Jesus being on earth are true.
The earliest Christians like Philo believed the Logos was the image of the invisible God, firstborn of creation, through whom all things were made, the high priest of God’s temple on the order of Melchizedek, was the son of God, was God’s great angel, was Yahweh of the Jewish scriptures who sometimes appeared in human form, was the mediator between God and mankind, was the sole means of reconciling man to God and hence responsible for the salvation of mankind. Peter, James, and Paul took it up a notch and said that great angel Yahweh took on a body of flesh as a final sacrifice! Everything else was the same as Philo’s edition.
Decades later, after the destruction of Jerusalem, the mythical tales began to take shape, with Marcion publishing the first (proto-Luke) around 140CE. The other gospels were created and edited and circulated as a response to Marcion. Then people started taking it all literally and we ended up with the letter of 2 Peter and you guys believing the fantasy is real.
Now go eat some turkey.
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