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Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:49 pm to burger bearcat
So you want anarchy.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:54 pm to jcaz
quote:if you can't see arabs weren't the ones who planned it, you are just simply dumb at this point. how much more obvious does it need to be?
I left the libertarian party when the chairman/president of Louisiana branch started posting 9/11 conspiracies
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:54 pm to jimjackandjose
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Amish areas do pretty well with libertarian type ideals
I love Amish people. But let's be real, they only get to maintain their peaceful way of life because they are protected by society beyond their communities.
It's similar to what I like to say about feminism. The entire movement is a complete paper tiger, feminists only exists because they are protected by masculinity.
The black, race hustling stuff is the same. If it wasn't for whitey, they would all be living under the boot of the Chinese or someone else.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:55 pm to SCLibertarian
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After what you've seen the past 7 years, do you believe anything the federal security apparatus tells you?
“pRoMoTiNg 9/11 CoNsPiRaCies!” is such a ridiculous term.
Everything from Bush’s initial reaction to the terrorist attack to the government’s official inquiry into the attacks is one conspiracy rolled up in another one.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:56 pm to TGFN57
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So you want anarchy
No. I advocate for actually more powerful government at the local level, but weaker at the federal level. The federal government should basically just be made up of the states, for defense.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:01 pm to burger bearcat
I’ve always thought that libertarians tend to ignore the dangers of economic consolidation and centralization. They focus exclusively on government power and seem to pretend that an unregulated free market will not produce unhealthy concentrations of influence. As we’ve seen in America, the two go hand in hand and eventually you get regulatory capture and Corpocracy. Personally I don’t think there is a workable solution to the issue. Whether you start out libertarian or socialist, if you’re paying attention you eventually realize that dystopia is inevitable. Orwell knew that, and his arc (from socialist pamphlets to Animal Farm to 1984) was spot on.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:04 pm to boosiebadazz
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It was a simpler time here when we could just rag on libertarians and their silly little NAP
It’s kind of hard to adhere to NAP when A is coming at you every which way and 6 ways to Sunday.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:08 pm to burger bearcat
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But at some point I realized many of these libertarian ideas were simply an unrealistic utopia. They may have had some application in the time of our founders, but only because of the demographics of the electorate at that time.
This is where you lost me.
What is right is right. Doing anything else is wrong. I’m always amazed at the people that willingly do something against their principles just because they might ‘win’ with a lesser option.
frick you and all those that do this.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:09 pm to burger bearcat
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But let's be real, they only get to maintain their peaceful way of life because they are protected by society beyond their communities.
Exactly. It's just like why Mexico doesn't really worry about being invaded because they are under the greater protective umbrella of the USA.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:12 pm to Aubie Spr96
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This is where you lost me.
To an extent, libertarianism can work as long as you can keep the demographics and electorate in check.
Similarly some socialist lite Nordic countries have had moderate success with social safety nets, because the countries are small and they have maintained their demographics.
But you can't have unlimited suffrage and open borders with these ideas. They simply won't work.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:18 pm to jcaz
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Holographic planes and thermite the night before
It has always been my suspicion that Deep State operatives promote tangential discussions about holographic imaging and particle-beam disintegrators to give the impression that anyone who dares question any aspect of the “official” 9/11 narrative is a tin-foil nutter. Now THAT is my conspiracy theory about 9/11.
Yet regardless of the exact details of how the buildings came down and the depths of the conspiracy behind the attack, anyone claiming that our nation’s wholly corrupted intelligence apparatus did not engage in a coverup — both before and after the 9/11 attacks — are the actual members of the lunatic fringe who are divorced from reality.
Same as with the Kennedy assassination, we may never know the who, the whats or the whys of what happened on 9/11. What we do know is that our nation’s intelligence apparatus will lie, stonewall and even disseminate false information to protect it’s power and base of operations.
Ex-FBI agent says 9/11 Commission misled public about hijackers who attacked Pentagon…
….Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 9/11 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion.
We determined that Fahad al-Thumairy ("Thumairy") was a representative of the Saudi Arabia Ministry of Islamic Affairs who was granted diplomatic status by Saudi Arabia and posted at Saudi Arabia's Los Angeles Consulate. Thumairy also served as an Imam at the King Fahad Mosque, which was funded by the Saudi royal family and named after the Saudi King. We learned that Thumairy controlled that Mosque both religiously and fmancially. He had a reputation for extreme anti-U.S. views and was aligned and inspired a radical faction inside the Mosque.
We determined that Thumairy and another Saudi employee who we believed was a Saudi intelligence agent, Omar al-Bayoumi ("Bayoumi"), were active participants in a terror cell associated withal Qaeda that provided substantial financial and logistical support to Hazmi and Mihdhar…
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:32 pm to burger bearcat
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But you can't have unlimited suffrage and open borders with these ideas. They simply won't work.
You certainly can’t have a cradle-to-grave Welfare State with open borders. This is yet another reason that many libertarians are opposed to open borders.
All “libertarians” are not supporters of open-borders. There is as vast a chasm between many libertarians as exists between Donald Trump and George Bush, two nominal Republicans.
“Left-libertarianism” is itself an oxymoron. All the primary shibboleths of left-libertarianism: basic income guarantees, school vouchers, ambivalence — if not hostility — to the traditional family structure and traditional morality, “transgenderism” as an inalienable right, unfettered immigration, etc… largely empower the State and thus serve as vehicles to promote evermore Statism.
Open Borders, or the “Camp of-the Saints” Problem...
“...The question of open borders, or free immigration, has become an accelerating problem for classical liberals. This is first, because the welfare state increasingly subsidizes immigrants to enter and receive permanent assistance, and second, because cultural boundaries have become increasingly swamped. I began to rethink my views on immigration when, as the Soviet Union collapsed, it became clear that ethnic Russians had been encouraged to flood into Estonia and Latvia in order to destroy the cultures and languages of these peoples.
Previously, it had been easy to dismiss as unrealistic Jean Raspail's anti-immigration novel The Camp of the Saints, in which virtually the entire population of India decides to move, in small boats, into France, and the French, infected by liberal ideology, cannot summon the will to prevent economic and cultural national destruction. As cultural and welfare-state problems have intensified, it became impossible to dismiss Raspail's concerns any longer.” Murray Rothbard: LINK ]Nations by Consent.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:50 pm to burger bearcat
Oh, so you just don't want the United States.
Except as some kind of local government defense.
You are a damn moonbat.
Except as some kind of local government defense.
You are a damn moonbat.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:54 pm to jamboybarry
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When you have a corrupt populace, what good are laws? Just look at the lawfare ghouls and people like Decatur cheering on our now 6 year witch hunt
Our ignorant and corrupt citizens elect politicians with the same traits and that’s why we are in the pickle we are in
Spot on Barry!
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:00 pm to TGFN57
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Oh, so you just don't want the United States.
Except as some kind of local government defense.
You are a damn moonbat.
What purpose other than defense (actual defense like borders) would I want or need from a federal government.
If Idaho said they didn't want to participate in this gay country anymore, then they should have the right to leave.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:43 pm to TGFN57
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So you want anarchy
Like democrat run cities?
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