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re: Republicans beware of Pete Buttigieg
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:39 pm to funnystuff
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:39 pm to funnystuff
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Don’t underestimate charisma. Dems made that mistake in 2016 with trump and it bit them in the arse.
Democrats need Obama level turnout from blacks to beat Trump.
I don't think Pete Buttigieg is that person, charisma or not.
Charisma won't matter in 2020 anyway. People will vote based on results instead of platitudes, which is all candidates like Buttigieg have. Trump will be able to run on his record, while Buttigieg would just talk about "rising above" and "coming together" and "being nice".
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:39 pm to Scruffy
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I have my money on Kamala Harris ending up as the front runner.
I expected much more from her tonight. She was the least impressive of all tonight IMO.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:40 pm to Decatur
Bill Clinton is slick not smart.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:41 pm to Decatur
Decatur, am I wrong in thinking Kamala is like Rubio 16?
On paper, checks the boxes
But she just is missing that genuine presence on the stage. It’s all manufactured and calculated
On paper, checks the boxes
But she just is missing that genuine presence on the stage. It’s all manufactured and calculated
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:41 pm to Decatur
quote:She is terribly unimpressive, but she ticks all the boxes.
She was the least impressive of all tonight.
Plus, she has the support of the Obamas.
I just feel that there is too much against Buttgeig at this time, but I could be wrong.
Small moments make or break people within the primaries.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:43 pm to The Funnie Five
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Blacks aren't going to turn out for a gay white dude.
I could give you several examples that would go completely opposite of this but it's better if the GOP just maintains this simplistic thinking.
He won't win the nomination this year. But he's going to be a threat in the coming years. Especially with changing cultural mores in this country. And y'all are making the issue of him being gay MUCH MORE than he is. Very telling but predictable.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:44 pm to Decatur
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Decatur
You’re the same guy that was acting like it was a foregone conclusion that Mueller was going to subpoena Trump for an interview and/or grand jury testimony while in reality Mueller never even had the balls to inquire about such a subpoena in court.
And you think we should be scared of this butt guy?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:46 pm to Sentrius
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You’re the same guy that was acting like it was a foregone conclusion that Mueller was going to subpoena Trump for an interview and/or grand jury testimony while in reality Mueller never even had the balls to inquire about such a subpoena in court.
Yes, I did think that. Still trying to understand the decision process. Just started Volume II tonight.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:47 pm to Toddy
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He won't win the nomination this year. But he's going to be a threat in the coming years. Especially with changing cultural mores in this country. And y'all are making the issue of him being gay MUCH MORE than he is. Very telling but predictable.
didn't we hear over and over again leading up to 2016 that a Republican will never win the presidency again because of muh demographic changes Trump has made inroads with (legal) hispanics and blacks. I do not think he has lost any black/legal hispanic support he already had, and has gained some even if its a small percentage.
Again, results > platitudes. That's why I hope democrats run on stupid issues like "coming together" and "being nice" and all that feel good garbage. It won't resonate with voters because they don't give a shite, they care about their pocket books and bottom line.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:50 pm to Decatur
quote:Only if he's standing behind me
Republicans beware of Pete Buttigieg
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:51 pm to Toddy
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I could give you several examples that would go completely opposite of this but it's better if the GOP just maintains this simplistic thinking.
Toddy, the data is pretty clear that blacks are still fairly anti-gay compared to other racial groups.
It matters in a dem primary. Blacks make up 25%+ of the primary electorate
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:52 pm to The Funnie Five
I agree Trump will be the favorite regardless of the opponent as long as the economy keeps on its current course. But I don’t think you’ve ever listened to buttigieg talk if you think nice platitudes is all he has going for him.
The reason he has a better chance than any other dem to unseat trump (small as that chance might be) is that he isn’t a spineless politicians in the mold of Kamala or Biden simply tip toeing around every issue without ever taking a firm policy position.
I’m not agreeing with decataur to the point of saying we need to be worried about him. But we would be wise to recognize that he is virtually the only dem offering an actual policy path forward to contest trump’s accomplishments. For the last three years America has recognized that the dems aren’t offering any policy solution to the issues facing our country. Buttigieg is at least offering them. Not good ones, but still, he’s filling that void. Which would be far more dangerous than kamala’s endless platitudes if he were to catch any kind of steam.
The reason he has a better chance than any other dem to unseat trump (small as that chance might be) is that he isn’t a spineless politicians in the mold of Kamala or Biden simply tip toeing around every issue without ever taking a firm policy position.
I’m not agreeing with decataur to the point of saying we need to be worried about him. But we would be wise to recognize that he is virtually the only dem offering an actual policy path forward to contest trump’s accomplishments. For the last three years America has recognized that the dems aren’t offering any policy solution to the issues facing our country. Buttigieg is at least offering them. Not good ones, but still, he’s filling that void. Which would be far more dangerous than kamala’s endless platitudes if he were to catch any kind of steam.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:52 pm to Decatur
How does his libido compare to Clinton?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:55 pm to funnystuff
quote:Truth.
But we would be wise to recognize that he is virtually the only dem offering an actual policy path forward to contest trump’s accomplishments. For the last three years America has recognized that the dems aren’t offering any policy solution to the issues facing our country. Buttigieg is at least offering them. Not good ones, but still, he’s filling that void. Which would be far more dangerous than kamala’s endless platitudes if he were to catch any kind of steam.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:55 pm to Decatur
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Yes, I did think that. Still trying to understand the decision process.
There’s not much to understand. A court was never going to allow a subpoena against the President of the United States without clear as shite, beyond a reasonable doubt, damning evidence of Trump’s implication in a crime. And that’s only if the DAG and AG allow him to pursue a subpoena. Mueller never had any such evidence.
And constitutionally, it’s impossible for an actor of the executive branch to take coercive steps towards the head of the executive branch when he’s borrowing the same power the President has to enforce the law.
Unitary executive theory is actually a thing.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But she just is missing that genuine presence on the stage. It’s all manufactured and calculated
Yeah, she seems to already be fizzling out. And I agree, she doesn't seem genuine or real at all.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Toddy, the data is pretty clear that blacks are still fairly anti-gay compared to other racial groups.
It matters in a dem primary. Blacks make up 25%+ of the primary electorate
Butt guy is going to have a lot of trouble in the south’s dem primaries. Bernie had the same issue too.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:57 pm to Toddy
quote:Way too early.
Yeah, she seems to already be fizzling out. And I agree, she doesn't seem genuine or real at all.
We haven’t even got to the fun debates yet.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:59 pm to Decatur
quote:Celebrity worth
Pete Buttigieg is an American politician who has a net worth of $250 thousand
He's obviously not smart enough to build wealth. JUST what this country needs. Another politician without a fricking clue how to build wealth. Guaranteed, there are at least 50 -100 posters here today on the PT, yours truly included, who earn between 1.5x to 4x annually what he does and who have personal wealth of 3x - 10x easily. This board could run cirles around butt boy in economics.Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:59 pm to Sentrius
Sounds like a great conversation for another thread 
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