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re: Republicans voted against decriminalizing marijuana.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:16 pm to frogtown
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:16 pm to frogtown
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Shouldn't I have the freedom to keep my own money instead of paying for your food, housing, and healthcare? Stuff maybe you could afford yourself except for the fact you bought drugs instead.
This is why we should do away with income tax.
There would have been a 5% tax on weed to start then increase to 8%. So you wouldn’t be paying any of those taxes if you don’t buy it.
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:20 pm to oldskule
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Don't let weed fool you, it can be abused just like alcohol and other drugs....it needs to be controlled, IMO.
why arent you lobbying for alcohol to be a controlled substance then? or food for that matter, its abused by many too.
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I am in favor of decriminalization of weed, but chronic offenders need to be punished, just like DWI offenders.
i dont think anyone is saying getting high and driving shouldnt be punished.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:30 pm to Dawgfanman
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That is exactly what federal decriminalization would do..clearly most Rs don’t want to leave it to the states
Definitely not happening, especially with the red tsunami that's coming in November.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:32 pm to AMS
The history of drawing a distinction between alcohol and pharmaceuticals in our country is what it is. You might not like it, you might think it’s hypocritical, but it’s true and it’s not going away. Weed for better for worse is distinguishable with the latter, albeit falsely imo, and should really be a third type of category, but it does present medical properties unlike alcohol so idk. My point is just arguing but muh alcohol isn’t sufficient and will never be sufficient.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:54 pm to sabes que
Sad either way. Just legalize it vs decriminalize.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:23 pm to frogtown
Here’s the thing. If we had no laws at all in this country, and we were writing them from scratch…
Alcohol would be made illegal before Marijuana would be
And yet, here we are
Alcohol would be made illegal before Marijuana would be
And yet, here we are
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:29 pm to frogtown
None of that is equal to “reparations for incarcerations.” Not even close, you’re using buzzword bullshite.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:55 pm to sabes que
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you’re using buzzword bullshite.
Says the guy whose entire argument is "you’re either for personal liberty or you’re not". You've been asked several questions about where you would draw lines on other drugs or activities and you can't answer them, because you know it would torpedoe what passes as your argument.
All laws restrict people from doing things. Everybody but anarchists wants some laws, so everybody but anarchists wants to restrict people from doing some things and doesn't want to restrict them from doing some other things. You, me, Rand Paul, everybody.
If the potheads would focus on why it makes sense to treat pot more like alcohol than crack, and I personally believe there are strong arguments there, you might make some more progress. "You're either for personal liberty or you're not" is puerile and just demonstrates that you don't have anything of value to say on the subject, so people tune you out.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:47 pm to Flats
quote:What a preposterous non-argument. "Groomers" harm children. It's not a restriction on "freedom" to make it illegal to harm children.
Exactly, and since we don't have anybody clamoring for anarchy, everyone posting in this thread wants restrictions on personal liberty.
quote:No, the problem is you can't construct simple logic.
This "if you don't agree with me you don't believe in freedom" stuff is childish garbage, and it leads me to believe they're not capable of arguing for legalized pot on the merits.
quote:Right. You don't care about adult freedoms. We get it.
I just don't care about that particular issue.
quote:Of course it is.
"you don't believe in freedom" isn't an argument.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:47 pm to troyt37
quote:I don't know. Are you under the impression that I don't want to imprison child abusers?
How much does it cost to buy and abused, abandoned, and/or mistreated child's childhood back?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:48 pm to td01241
quote:What is the strong "pro" argument for "it should be Schedule 1"?
I think decriminalized weed is one of the few political stances where either side can muster a strong argument.
quote:Alcohol is demonstrably more destructive...why isn't it enough?
And I don’t believe just saying but muh alcohol is enough
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:49 pm to Madking
quote:Can you be more specific? If you mean adults with still-developing brains, it's already quite easy to get it.
still developing people which would have unfettered access to it if it were legal.
quote:Again, how can you be for this and not for alcohol prohibition?
I’ve smoked tons of it but it’s not good for you and shouldn’t be legalized without a medical condition attached to it.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:50 pm to Madking
quote:Yes. It would likely improve the current situation.
Should opioids and barbiturates be openly legalized without a prescription? Should fentanyl?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:51 pm to Madking
quote:Let's just grant you for the sake of argument that it's horribly bad for a person who uses it...and?
You’re one of those people who thinks it’s harmless
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:52 pm to oldskule
quote:What do you mean by this? DWI offenders have committed a real public threat. What is a "chronic offender" of chronic?
but chronic offenders need to be punished, just like DWI offenders.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:54 pm to td01241
quote:I agree it's not sufficient to convince the horribly biased who are dedicated to irrational non-arguments. But on its own, it certainly is sufficient.
The history of drawing a distinction between alcohol and pharmaceuticals in our country is what it is. You might not like it, you might think it’s hypocritical, but it’s true and it’s not going away. Weed for better for worse is distinguishable with the latter, albeit falsely imo, and should really be a third type of category, but it does present medical properties unlike alcohol so idk. My point is just arguing but muh alcohol isn’t sufficient and will never be sufficient.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:06 am to Big Scrub TX
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It would likely improve the current situation.
No doubt.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:41 am to Big Scrub TX
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I don't know. Are you under the impression that I don't want to imprison child abusers?
I'm certainly under the impression that you want to create more of them, because that's what happens.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:49 am to sabes que
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Republicans voted against decriminalizing marijuana.
The republicans shoot themselves in the foot. Real breaking news here.
It's a shame because after the whole mask CDC reinstatement thing, we were having a good turn.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:18 am to Big Scrub TX
Hot off the presses for you legalize folks. You may or may not hear about the killing of 4 people in Stone County Arkansas yesterday. It was 3 or 4 miles from my parent's house. Two of those killed were neighbors of the father of my parent's next door neighbor.
Story is 40 something year old druggie son was living with his 70 something parents who refused to give him money for more drugs, so he shot and killed both of them. The assumption is he went to another neighbor to borrow/rob them, and shot and killed both of them. They were in their 70's as well.
They are telling everyone in the area to lock their doors, because they don't know if he had an accomplice.
FREEDOM!
ETA: How about that. None of the libertarian types want to talk about this aspect of drug addiction.
Story is 40 something year old druggie son was living with his 70 something parents who refused to give him money for more drugs, so he shot and killed both of them. The assumption is he went to another neighbor to borrow/rob them, and shot and killed both of them. They were in their 70's as well.
They are telling everyone in the area to lock their doors, because they don't know if he had an accomplice.
FREEDOM!
ETA: How about that. None of the libertarian types want to talk about this aspect of drug addiction.
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