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re: Republicans voted against decriminalizing marijuana.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:56 pm to Ostrich
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:56 pm to Ostrich
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Yes because “murder” was a crime when they committed it. Actions have consequences. Don’t break the law.
That’s such a stupid, uninformed, narrow minded, and privileged statement
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:01 pm to Terrific Tales
says the person who would let murderers out on the street. Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:13 pm to Ostrich
If society as a whole decided murder wasn’t an issue then yes.
Obviously I don’t believe in letting murderers out on the street. That was an extreme example obviously not a real one
Obviously I don’t believe in letting murderers out on the street. That was an extreme example obviously not a real one
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:22 pm to AMS
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maybe if your argument is that it leads them down a bad path you have a point
That is my point.
And it’s not laughable. 30% vs 6% is a very sobering statistic. Considering how low the % of users of MJ, @15%, if it went to 40% users, you ADD another 39 million people with MJ related health issues, be it physical or mental. Figure that MJ use is prevalent with low income Govt assistance types, who do you think is gonna pay for that?
This is issue has multiple layers.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:34 pm to rltiger
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That is my point.
then keeping weed illegal is illogical. there wont be as significant of an interaction of drug dealers and other illicit substances if it were. there wont be people getting locked up for it.
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And it’s not laughable. 30% vs 6% is a very sobering statistic. Considering how low the % of users of MJ, @15%, if it went to 40% users, you ADD another 39 million people with MJ related health issues, be it physical or mental. Figure that MJ use is prevalent with low income Govt assistance types, who do you think is gonna pay for that?
This is issue has multiple layers.
alcohol is much worse than mj, its not even close. that is a laughable argument to make. most negative effects seen in thc is seen in alcohol, to a greater and more significant effect. alcohol does not really offer any medical benefits (outside a couple very specific things) while thc does. not to mention the effects on blood pressure, physical addiction, worse birth defects, liver cancer and damage. alcohol is involved in nearly 1/5 emergency room visits.
your thc stats are skewed due to the fact that its stigmatized. you see falsely suppressed numbers for that reason.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:37 pm to rltiger
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Figure that MJ use is prevalent with low income Govt assistance types, who do you think is gonna pay for that? This is issue has multiple layers.
That’s part of my issue with making it totally legal and being able to buy it while you fill up at the gas station. We don’t live in a vacuum and we don’t have a largely libertarian society. I’m expected to subsidise screw-ups, whether it’s booze or pot or sheer laziness. If “libertarians” cared half as much about social spending as they do getting high we might get somewhere as a country. But they clearly don’t.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:41 pm to Terrific Tales
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Most people who smoke aren’t angry enough at absolutely everything to post on this board
Then I guess those of you who do care enough to post on the topic just aren’t in the aforementioned category. I’ve seen a few decent posts making logical arguments about where to draw the line and the rest is REEEEEEE!!!!!!
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:42 pm to Flats
I agree it’s a lot of ree. I’m not angry at the world but I also don’t generally post on the politics board. I just saw this thread and wanted to see how outdated and misinformed the opinions were
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:44 pm to Flats
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Figure that MJ use is prevalent with low income Govt assistance types, who do you think is gonna pay for that? This is issue has multiple layers.
That’s part of my issue with making it totally legal and being able to buy it while you fill up at the gas station. We don’t live in a vacuum and we don’t have a largely libertarian society. I’m expected to subsidise screw-ups, whether it’s booze or pot or sheer laziness. If “libertarians” cared half as much about social spending as they do getting high we might get somewhere as a country. But they clearly don’t.
so the logic is keep it illegal for the majority of americans, who are not on food stamps? keeping something illegal because poor people is just moronic. they are probably already using it, and you are subsidizing it anyway legal weed or not. why ignore the cut in cost subsidizing the policing, enforcing, and jailing these people?
maybe they wouldnt need to be subsidized on foodstamps if dad didnt spend years in prison for weed when it could have been legal.
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Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:47 pm to Terrific Tales
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Dude you’re fricking stupid. Depression and suicide come from places of mental fatigue and a feeling of being lost and directionless in the world. Comparing the feelings of generations separated and completely incapable of comprehending variable situations makes no sense.
If you say so. I know some things that had to be done to survive the depression, and I believe a good percentage of our population now would have laid down and died, and took their kids with them. You can pretend shite’s tougher for Americans these days, but I call bullshite.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 5:56 pm to td01241
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This is the equality retarded conservative side of this argument as muh alcohol from the left. Conserving things just for the sake of it is dumb. Not even delving into weeds history and motivations to keep it schedule 1, we know now it provides medical benefits even in place of some of the most popular medicines. Why would you stand against something that can be as effective as Percocet or Xanax but less addictive in their place?
I’ve repeatedly said MJ is not that big of a deal to me, other than the slippery slope of legalizing truly bad shite. I believe the overwhelming majority who partake will abuse it, and don’t need it for any actual medicinal purpose at all, but what else is new? What are the chances you would be for a complete ban on Percocet and Xanax upon legalization of pot?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:14 pm to troyt37
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If you say so. I know some things that had to be done to survive the depression, and I believe a good percentage of our population now would have laid down and died, and took their kids with them. You can pretend shite’s tougher for Americans these days, but I call bullshite.
I’m not pretending it’s tougher. You aren’t reading a single damn thing I said. Depression, anxiety, and suicide don’t come from the “toughness” of life as much as they come from feeling directionless and purposeless. It doesn’t matter if life is less tough now
Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:21 pm to AMS
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alcohol is much worse than mj, its not even close. that is a laughable argument to make. most negative effects seen in thc is seen in alcohol, to a greater and more significant effect. alcohol does not really offer any medical benefits
THC has no medical benefits. Cannabinoid (CBD) is what is medically helpful, and CBD can be isolated and sold separately. You seem to want the mind altering effect of MJ and are trying to spin this into a Medical Benefit argument.
I’ve been sleeping with a Neurologist for 23 years and have seen the imaging of patients who have had psychotic episodes from MJ, it’s not laughable, it’s sad.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:31 pm to rltiger
And if anyone thinks drug dealers will go away, you are sadly mistaken. There will be a thriving market for cheaper unregulated drugs
Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:34 pm to rltiger
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And if anyone thinks drug dealers will go away, you are sadly mistaken. There will be a thriving market for cheaper unregulated drugs
Sounds like today..seems that if people want to consume a plant that one can easily grow themselves they will find a way. We would be better off as a society outlawing sugarcane.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 6:54 pm to rltiger
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THC has no medical benefits
Not true. It doesn’t have the glaucoma, cancer, or other benefits towards those kinds of medical conditions, but it absolutely is still an effective stress and anxiety reducer as well as having sleep benefits. Those are all medical benefits.
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I’ve been sleeping with a Neurologist for 23 years and have seen the imaging of patients who have had psychotic episodes from MJ, it’s not laughable, it’s sad.
Weed is a light hallucinogen, as well as in some people causing paranoia and depersonalization effects.
If her patients are having “psychotic episodes” from weed, then either
1. You’re talking about the altered mind state during the effects of the actual drug itself. (Duh that’s psychosis. That’s like literally part of the drug. Psychosis isn’t inherently scary it just means an altered mind state)
2. Her patients had more than just weed, or their weed was laced
3. You don’t actually know what you’re looking at, and just assume that because someone’s imaging who regularly uses weed looks different to another, it’s having some terrible effect on them. It’s not. A decrease in gray matter in the brain from chronic consumption of marijuana isn’t some massive detriment that has serious health risks
Posted on 4/22/22 at 7:26 pm to Terrific Tales
Red wine has medicinal benefits, it is heart healthy and may prevent coronary artery disease. People drink to relax and relive stress as well. You can make an argument for just about anything.
Imo legal weed would be a disaster.
Imo legal weed would be a disaster.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:02 pm to Terrific Tales
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I’m not angry at the world
I'm not either. Disagreeing with you or anybody on a political point doesn't mean that someone's angry at the world or even angry at all.
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outdated and misinformed the opinions were
Again, those aren't arguments. You might get somewhere by trying to insult everybody with a different opinion but I doubt it.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:06 pm to AMS
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so the logic is keep it illegal for the majority of americans,
No, the logic is taking that into consideration as a factor instead of pretending that "libertarian policy for pot" has zero impact on the taxpaying public.
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maybe they wouldnt need to be subsidized on foodstamps if dad didnt spend years in prison for weed when it could have been legal.
Yeah, that's it. People willing to risk imprisonment over a mood altering drug are known for making good decisions that result in financial independence and succesful families.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:07 pm to troyt37
quote:I mean, it's been disastrous. Why shouldn't the government be held to account for its horrendous missteps?
they would have the taxpayer paying reparations for the war on drugs
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