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Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:01 pm to StringedInstruments
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Why even waste your time with these goons
Because you’ve lost took an oath to protect us?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:02 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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And in their haste they created a “vax” that didn’t work. It didn’t keep people from getting covid and it didn’t flatten the curve.
It did work for those early variants cutting hospitalizations.
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They they fired people who didn’t get the jab and shut down schools all while allowing their voters to riot in multiple US cities.
Your timeline is a little off.
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Then they started ruining doctors lives who prescribed Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
They have never been used as anti-virals. They do decrease the IL-1 response though. They are good meds. They didn’t work on patients in the ICU.
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There is a reason people don’t trust the med community and why RFK is popular. Because you’ve lost your reliability trustworthiness and integrity.
You and I have very different experiences. On the ground, it is like the pandemic never happened. People don’t care all that much. They care more about what ails them currently.
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I think yall got scared.
No two doctors had the same response.
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But keep repeating the same shite. It doesn’t matter anymore.
It does.
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RFK may be a quack but he’s dumping covered up bullshite into the light.
He’s a quack who is using the fact that science publications go unnoticed in the general public to act out his long-held notions about vaccines. He’s lying to you in a way that if it were someone associated with the pandemic response, it would cause you to be up in arms.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:06 pm to crazy4lsu
I'm not up in arms but of course I can see some that are.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:07 pm to StringedInstruments
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Why even waste your time with these goons?
I'm learning health communication and practicing for communicating with skeptical people for purpose of being more helpful and teaching other docs and students. They're not wrong that our communication sucked.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:07 pm to goatmilker
That RFK is lying to you? It seems like most of the board is for it as long as it hurts some imaginary enemies they’ve created.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:10 pm to TigerDoc
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They're not wrong that our communication sucked.
So RFK is straight up lying and you have no problem calling it exactly that, but the frickups during covid were just poor at communicating. They didn't lie, it was just a big misunderstanding.
Ok.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:11 pm to Flats
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So RFK is straight up lying and you have no problem calling it exactly that, but the frickups during covid were just poor at communicating. They didn't lie, it was just a big misunderstanding.
You really don’t understand nuance lmao.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:18 pm to Flats
This is mostly fair - in several high-impact moments, officials used confident, simplified public lines that were not aligned with their real reasons (masks), their internal process (testing guidance), or with appropriately hedged interpretations of preliminary data (vaccines & transmission). Even if some choices were made for understandable reasons (preventing PPE shortages, avoiding panic, etc.), the form of communication (categorical claims, strategic omissions, definitional hair-splitting) predictably misled the public.
There are counter-cases to all of these, of course, if you want to hear them.
There are counter-cases to all of these, of course, if you want to hear them.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:21 pm to TigerDoc
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predictably misled the public.
Predictably and deliberately.
That's a lie. If you can use the word "lie" about RFK you can use it about the other twats.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:24 pm to Flats
No, RFK has been spewing the same stuff for 20 years. He's still bring up stuff that was repudiated by his outlets 15 years ago.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:30 pm to TigerDoc
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No, RFK has been spewing the same stuff for 20 years.
I'm not sure what that has to do with whether those you described as "misleading" people were lying or not. RFK is lying, fine. So did a lot of others and you just cannot bring yourself to call a spade a spade. That's kinda weird.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:39 pm to Flats
Like crazy says, I don't think you're seeing this with enough nuance. I say RFK is lying because he knows very well all the ways his bs has been refuted. He may be crazy enough to think he has some special portal to truth, so I'm willing to allow for the possibility of delusion. 
The best cases for "lie", IMO, for the pandemic health authorities are for Fauci on masks for the purpose of avoiding a run on them early and the Walensky comments saying vaccinated people don't carry the virus & don’t get sick. Her categorical phrasing over-promised beyond the evidence then in hand. Even in these worst cases, though, it was corrected. RFK is still pushing stuff repudiated 20 years ago and doesn't show any evidence that he ever will reject it.
Ready for the counter-case when you're ready for it.
The best cases for "lie", IMO, for the pandemic health authorities are for Fauci on masks for the purpose of avoiding a run on them early and the Walensky comments saying vaccinated people don't carry the virus & don’t get sick. Her categorical phrasing over-promised beyond the evidence then in hand. Even in these worst cases, though, it was corrected. RFK is still pushing stuff repudiated 20 years ago and doesn't show any evidence that he ever will reject it.
Ready for the counter-case when you're ready for it.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 8:42 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:01 pm to TigerDoc
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Ready for the counter-case when you're ready for it.
I don't need one. Assuming RFK is lying, both parties lied. By definition. That RFK's is worse in your estimation doesn't change the definition of the word.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:01 pm to Flats
No, I mean the charitable case for public health officials.
ETA: *crickets*
ETA: *crickets*
This post was edited on 9/7/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:22 pm to crazy4lsu
Did the Covid vaccine prevent or cure Covid?
If not, why was it mandated?
If not, why was it mandated?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:29 pm to RandRules
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Did the Covid vaccine prevent or cure Covid?
Nope, just decreased hospitalizations.
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If not, why was it mandated?
No idea. Several things should have been done before mandating a vaccine, but alas, it wasn’t my decision.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:36 pm to RandRules
It wasn't intended to cure, and even though it didn’t stop all transmission, they lowered it enough that in places with high uptake, the virus circulated less and outbreaks were smaller. The idea was with sufficient "herd immunity" for life to be back to normal sooner (schools staying open more consistently, businesses could function with fewer shutdowns, and people could gather with less fear of ending up in the hospital). In that sense, higher vaccination rates really could have made daily life feel more normal, sooner.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:09 pm to Free888
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Flu vaccines are generally based on what was prevalent in the Southern Hemisphere the prior season. That said it’s a bit of a guess, thus why they’re usually about 50% effective.
Wait... so only half of all flu vaccines are for the right virus? How do you know if it even works if it's the wrong vaccine half of the time. Loosing respect for the medical industry as I type.
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