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re: RFK exposing more secrets by Big Pharma…
Posted on 9/8/25 at 12:49 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/8/25 at 12:49 am to TigerDoc
quote:You suck so bad. You are criticizing RFKjr for questioning the people who took advantage of the trust we gave them. They lied to us and abused their position for personal gain. We need a thousand more RFKjrs in govt right now.
We collectively chose to exercise our freedom to empower governments decade after decade
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protect public health
Rube quote:Not at the expense of liberty
so we can be free of preventable diseases and allow almost all our kids to grow up
quote:It absolutely is not. Not in any way. You might choose to misinterpret it, but it's not.
The word "liberty" is complicated
quote:Should the govt EVER mandate that someone make a healthcare decision against their will?
One thing it doesn't mean is that if a public health measure is implemented in one context it must or should be implemented in all contexts
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 12:53 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You brought up scientists communicating effectively with each other or in general about their observations. That is not the point being discussed. Doc is discussing RFKjr as a govt official eroding trust in the institution of health experts. Those are 2 different things so, yes, you did misunderstand.
Nope. I understand what TigerDoc’s point is
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What is your point?
What is your stupid point? If you think he brings nothing of value, ignore him. Why are you even here? quote:Let me know when you have that list because, you know, it would happen without him.
It is crazy that you don’t understand what I mean, especially given your talk about what ‘science’ should be.
quote:I have mentioned numerous "details"
your posts are lacking in details
Posted on 9/8/25 at 12:56 am to somethingdifferent
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You brought up scientists communicating effectively with each other or in general about their observations. That is not the point being discussed. Doc is discussing RFKjr as a govt official eroding trust in the institution of health experts. Those are 2 different things so, yes, you did misunderstand.
No, I didn't.
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What is your stupid point? If you think he brings nothing of value, ignore him. Why are you even here?
Did you miss my contributions in this thread already? I'm a telling you what he is doing and you are a willing to be misled.
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Let me know when you have that list because, you know, it would happen without him.
Again, questioning is part of the framework of the scientific process. Just because on occasion one idea wins out does not mean the questioning does not or did not exist. It is fundamental to every aspect to how we approach medicine. There isn't a recommendation from any medical body that isn't made in the same rhetorical style I mentioned earlier. Everything, from when and who should get what scans at what ages, is contingent upon arguments which you will never see and for you may as well never have existed.
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I have mentioned numerous "details"
Nah
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:03 am to crazy4lsu
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Who did you read?
Facebook, of course. quote:SFP, is that you?
You haven’t questioned me in a meaningful way, and the only thing you have revealed is how far you are from understanding anything that is going on around you. Sad!
quote:What do you mean what does that mean? It means precisely what I typed. You called me "incurious" yet I'm willing to listen to what he has to say. You, OTOH, are a flaming pile of doodoo itt arrogantly going on and on about him oh but, he doesn't bring anything of substance. Then why are you so bothered by him?
What in the wide world of sports does this mean?
quote:I know for sure you are not a mind reader. You can keep criticizing his motives but it just makes you look more biased and emotional like a teenage girl
I am telling you that he is a grifter who is trying to use this anti-science moment to launder his particularly anti-science ideas
quote:Trying to get to the truth is never a losing proposition. It's fascinating you can't see that
if you had any awareness you would understand why you are going to lose.
quote:BINGO. Exactly what I thought. You missed the point
A vaccination campaign that killed more humans than any other ailment in human history is decidedly not like those other things
quote:This is not a part of the point at all
you appear to want to relieve a particular historical moment because you underrate its importance
quote:Says the person who has no idea what's even being discussed
You are the master of the non-sequitur
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:08 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Still missing the point. Just because one person is more informed than another doesn't mean that person should mandate healthcare to others, especially against their will, a la covid.
And what if they don’t know better?
Why did the CDC/legacy media/big tech/govt go into overdrive to suppress the doctors who were trying to inform the public of their real world, first person evidence regarding covid treatment that happened to counter the big brother narrative?
quote:Totally different subject
Are you willing to invest in making pediatric wards larger?
quote:Do you know what liberty is?
Are you going to tell the woman whose baby has congenital rubella that he child will never hear?
quote:STILL missing the point
What if these people are also lying to you in the same way you accuse leaders during the pandemic of lying to you?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:09 am to somethingdifferent
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Facebook, of course.
Seems about right.
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SFP, is that you?
You've brought him up several times already. He's cucked you really good.
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You called me "incurious" yet I'm willing to listen to what he has to say.
Oh yeah? Have you asked me a single question about the parallels between what is going on with RFK and previous anti-vax movements? Did you probe me for reading recommendations about the history of anti-vax movements?
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You, OTOH, are a flaming pile of doodoo itt arrogantly going on and on about him oh but, he doesn't bring anything of substance. Then why are you so bothered by him?
Well, first, he is in this position not by his ability but because of his name. Secondly, his ideas are dogshit and have been dogshit for a long time. Thirdly, I think he is retarded. Lastly, I plan on continuing the significant effort to undermine him.
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Trying to get to the truth is never a losing proposition. It's fascinating you can't see that
That's probably above your paygrade.
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BINGO. Exactly what I thought. You missed the point
No, it's just that again we have to reinvent the wheel again in front of your eyes to prove to you that we needed to do it in a particular way.
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This is not a part of the point at all
Dear god, you need to go back and read again what I was referencing.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 1:13 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:11 am to TigerDoc
quote:Unbelievable. You're now the boss of "objections."
I object to bad objections , but I'm for good objections
Would you please list all the things you're the boss of?
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If you've glommed on to RFK and Eric Weinstein, you need work on this
You're about the LAST person I would listen for epistemological advice, especially when you can't understand the people I mentioned. You don't even realize SCIENTISTS agree with Weinstein quote:"Trust me, bro."
as for the "front line doctors", they're the frauds
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:12 am to somethingdifferent
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ust because one person is more informed than another doesn't mean that person should mandate healthcare to others, especially against their will, a la covid.
It's almost like people with barely any understanding of human immunity shouldn't get a voice at the table.
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Why did the CDC/legacy media/big tech/govt go into overdrive to suppress the doctors who were trying to inform the public of their real world, first person evidence regarding covid treatment that happened to counter the big brother narrative?
I am 100% sure you have no actual experience to give to me about using several of the suggested treatments, none of which worked by the time patients made it to floors or the ICU.
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Totally different subject
No, it is the same subject.
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Do you know what liberty is?
I have some idea of what you think liberty is, but I'm going to have to disagree.
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STILL missing the point
Answer the question.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:13 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You asked what a symptom was and I gave you one
That doesn't answer my question. What is the symptomatology of these health problems?
quote:List his predecessors who you emotionally spent 20 pages whining about because they dared question big pharma. Let's see some receipts
You are acting like everything he has said is new
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Nah, that's retarded
Ok MussoliniPosted on 9/8/25 at 1:21 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Yes you did. You made the point about rhetoric. That's not what Doc was saying. You are wrong
No, I didn't
quote:You're trying to be a mind reader and you aren't. I know that for a fact
I'm a telling you what he is doing and you are a willing to be misled
quote:You are again missing the point. The comment is about govt officials who are tasked with leading healthcare. Which of those people in the past went after big pharma like RFK jr is doing. I'll wait.
Just because on occasion one idea wins out does not mean the questioning does not or did not exist
quote:You want a list? I asked you about spike proteins. All I needed was one example so you're wrong.
Nah
I brought up peer review corruption
I brought up examples of the CDC lying
I brought up govt collusion with big tech/legacy media
I brought up the irregularity of the covid shot EUA
I brought up the VAERS oversight by the FDA
I brought up masks being ineffective
I brought up the scientific method
You must be an SFP alter
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:24 am to somethingdifferent
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You asked what a symptom was and I gave you one
That is not a symptom man. Holy shite, are you retarded? A symptom would be the result of, for example, spike protein deposition in end-organs. A similar pathophysiology would be something like nephrotic syndromes, which would have a pattern of molecular injury, i.e., damage of the glomerular filtration barrier, such as sclerosis of glomeruli which will lead to damage of podocytes which leads to a loss of protein and causes an increase of hepatic protein synthesis. Once the negative charge of the glomerular basement membrane is lost, you see non-selective proteinuria, which leads to hypoalbuminemia, where the decrease in serum albumin will cause a decrease in colloid osmotic pressure, which will lead to the characteristic manifestation of edema, often periorbital edema. The edema is the symptom of the original cellular insult. Your answer was not a symptom, but a suggestion at a possible cellular injury mechanism, but it is one that I've heard before with no reference to the 'how' of the injury mechanism as well as no reference to the symptoms themselves.
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List his predecessors who you emotionally spent 20 pages whining about because they dared question big pharma. Let's see some receipts
Again, this might be the most nonsensical of the non-sequiturs you've employed.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:26 am to somethingdifferent
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You want a list? I asked you about spike proteins. All I needed was one example so you're wrong.
I asked for symptoms and you brought up something that showed you clearly don't understand what symptoms are. Nicely done dumbass.
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I brought up peer review corruption
And I asked what RFK's plan was to fix it. Hell, what is your plan to fix it?
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I brought up the scientific method
Lol oh wow muh scientific method.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:26 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Were those people in the president's cabinet? Yes or no. WOW you are hard headed
Have you asked me a single question about the parallels between what is going on with RFK and previous anti-vax movements?
quote:So what? Ignore him
he is in this position not by his ability but because of his name
quote:"Trust me, bro"
his ideas are dogshit and have been dogshit for a long time
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I think he is retarded
ITT, I think you're a retarded fascist quote:How can you undermine someone who doesn't bring any substance?
I plan on continuing the significant effort to undermine him
quote:STILL missing the point
it's just that again we have to reinvent the wheel again in front of your eyes to prove to you that we needed to do it in a particular way
SHOULD PEOPLE BE FORCED TO TAKE VACCINES AGAINST THEIR WILL BY THE GOVERNMENT?
DANG. There it is for you in plain english. See if you can understand that. Maybe you need an interpreter. My word you are dense
quote:This might have some meaning if you weren't so off the rails about what's being said.
you need to go back and read again what I was referencing
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:34 am to somethingdifferent
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Were those people in the president's cabinet? Yes or no. WOW you are hard headed
Huh, so incurious.
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ITT, I think you're a retarded fascist
Given that you clearly don't know what a symptom is, I don't think I have any faith in your diagnostic or deductive ability.
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How can you undermine someone who doesn't bring any substance?
You poor schmuck. Think really hard for once.
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SHOULD PEOPLE BE FORCED TO TAKE VACCINES AGAINST THEIR WILL BY THE GOVERNMENT?
If they don't want to, no, but outside of COVID, that isn't the way our 'compulsory' system of vaccinations worked. In your case, you should probably do what your caretaker tells you to do.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:35 am to crazy4lsu
quote:"Trust me, bro"
It's almost like people with barely any understanding of human immunity shouldn't get a voice at the table
Immunology is not the point. Liberty is the point
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I am 100% sure you have no actual experience to give to me about using several of the suggested treatments, none of which worked by the time patients made it to floors or the ICU
DODGE quote:Nope. You are talking about a consequence, not an effect. Totally different subject. If people want to take the risk that their actions might cause hospitals to have longer wait times, that's their choice. It is a fact that if more people are taking more risk, hospitals will start to increase their capacity so that they can make more money. And the inverse is true as well. Hospitals watch those metrics with a microscope.
No, it is the same subject
You're trying to work the problem in reverse. "We only have X hospital capacity so we need to forcibly implement Y healthcare policy."
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I'm going to have to disagree
Says the person who criticized me for "not providing details."Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:37 am to somethingdifferent
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Immunology is not the point. Liberty is the point
Guess which one is more important to human history.
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DODGE
Regale me with your experience with these medications. Get into the weeds.
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"We only have X hospital capacity so we need to forcibly implement Y healthcare policy."
Uh, are you just describing preventative health care?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:37 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Sigh. You must be dense. A symptom is an effect, not a cause. I gave you an effect - spike proteins moving. The cause would be the shots.
That is not a symptom man
quote:It's like you have no self awareness at all.
Holy shite, are you retarded?
quote:I asked you a specific, simple question. If you can't answer it, just say you lost.
Again, this might be the most nonsensical of the non-sequiturs you've employed
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:40 am to somethingdifferent
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Sigh. You must be dense. A symptom is an effect, not a cause. I gave you an effect - spike proteins moving. The cause would be the shots.
Nope. This is straight up retarded. If such spike protein depositions were actually occurring, they would produce symptoms that are indicative of a mechanism of cellular injury. None of what you described is a symptom, certainly not one that is reproducible in an immediate sense.
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It's like you have no self awareness at all.
Yeah, tell me again about symptoms you fricking idiot. Lmao.
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I asked you a specific, simple question. If you can't answer it, just say you lost.
I've asked you several. The best you can do is to give perhaps one of the dumbest answers I've ever heard that makes no sense and then you doubled down on it. fricking amazing. Chef's kiss little man.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:43 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You asked for "details." I gave you numerous, that being one of them. I'm starting to think you're being intentionally obtuse, like SFP.
I asked for symptoms and you brought up something that showed you clearly don't understand what symptoms are. Nicely done dumbass
quote:You asked for "details" of what I've posted. That was one of them.
And I asked what RFK's plan was to fix it. Hell, what is your plan to fix it?
Since you're being intentionally obtuse, your mischaracterization is that I said he has a "specific" plan to specifically fix the peer review potholes. I never said that. I said his approach, in general, brings light to things like the problems with the peer review process in that he is taking on the incorrigible institutions of healthcare and that his brusque approach is utilitarian in trying to break through the barriers of these institutions in order to provide more transparency.
quote:I'll take that as tacit admission that you are wrong.
Lol oh wow muh scientific method.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:48 am to somethingdifferent
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I said his approach, in general, brings light to things like the problems with the peer review process in that he is taking on the incorrigible institutions of healthcare and that his brusque approach is utilitarian in trying to break through the barriers of these institutions in order to provide more transparency.
Again, how is he going to do that? You are making really gigantic claims and not understanding the scale of those claims.
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I'll take that as tacit admission that you are wrong.
lol, nah, it might be a symptom though, you fricking idiot.
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