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re: RI middle school had mural of Moloch?
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:38 am to EphesianArmor
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:38 am to EphesianArmor
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Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:41 am to Azkiger
Not touching your link. Probably goes to one of Alister Crowley's orgs. 
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:43 am to omegaman66
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I guess next you will also argue that Satan and the Devil and Lucifer are three separate entities.
I'd argue that conceptually there isn't consistency in what any 3 of those concepts are, and it wouldn't shock me if someone made up a difference at some point, b/c that's what people do with religion (like how Canaanites broke off and over a few generations merged their gods into the monotheistic version that we now consider "God").
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:44 am to EphesianArmor
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Not touching your link. Probably goes to one of Alister Crowley's orgs.
Well it is rumored that Lam created dictionary.com
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
This is revisionist.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:45 am to Azkiger
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Pagans have scripture backing up their beliefs too.
Ultimately it’s going to come down to whether you want to live in a nation and a culture defined by Christian morality refined under the precepts of the enlightenment as the United States was originally created or if you want to live in an EU style government that apparently varies from a moralistic foundation ranging from “do as thou will” (fundamentally a satanic principal) to actual Babylonian ba’al/moloch worship and sacrifce. Because that’s who the leaders of the EU and the progressive left are and I don’t just mean the politicians because they’re just middle management.
But make no mistake, one of those two worldviews is going to win and soon.
As Richard Dawkins recently acknowledged, you don’t have to be a Christian to appreciate the supremacy of the nations founded under those concepts relative to other options even if you yourself are a non-believer.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:50 am to Crimson1st
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Child sacrifice promotion most certainly = the devil
Does Satan want that? Yes.
Is Satan/the devil the only entity specifically referenced in the bible that demands child sacrifice? Absolutely not.
Don’t let them lead you down a path where they can deflect from the core issue which is what are we going to do now that it’s established that somehow the elites running our economies and political structures practice child abuse and child sacrifice?
Who they sacrifice the children to is less important than the fact that they’re sacrificing children so my advice is not to fight a semantic battle if the semantic battle keeps us from fighting the battle that actually matters.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:54 am to tide06
False dichotomy. America can be culturally Christian AND have separation of Church and State.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:56 am to tide06
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Is Satan/the devil the only entity specifically referenced in the bible that demands child sacrifice? Absolutely not.
You can't yank Biblical passages out of context and consistency and expect a truth to emerge. Satan works through others, individuals, groups, entities...the Bible clearly states sin, which child sacrifice is, is tied to Satan also, the Bible states if it isn't something from God, it's from the other team, ergo "Team Satan". By default, even if it's not Satan explicitly and directly doing an action, it's it's an evil spirit directly from him guiding someone to do his bidding on his behalf. The Bible is clear about that regardless of who the conduit is.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/19/26 at 10:57 am to EphesianArmor
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Far too low a figure IMO.
O.k., based on what? Itemize it. Support your claim.
In my state a membership in a church umbrella organization costs anywhere between $100 and $300 a year. That covers the required testing for homeschooling.
A DIY curriculum costs anywhere between $500 and $800 for a year.
What else do you need (that you wouldn't have to buy anyway if you went to public school)?
I'm not aware of anything. So if you take even the higher numbers I listed, that's $1,100 for one child (I factored for two).
How am I wrong? You either have to show that my figures are off for what those things cost or you have to show that there are things you need that I didn't budget for.
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And at that you're STILL talking about maybe 10%-15% who can still afford it -- IF they take the problem seriously enough.
Nah, not even close. Americans live at the end of our financial ropes because we're conditioned to spend every last dime we have on "things," not because we couldn't make other choices and prioritize other expenses.
Regardless of income, a significant number of people even in the top ten percentile of earners still live paycheck to paycheck.
A 2025 survey:
72.8% earning under $50k
44% earning $50k–$99k
32.3% earning $100k–$149k
20.6% earning $150k+ still paycheck-to-paycheck
When a third of households making $100k-$149k still live paycheck to paycheck, it's a spending problem, not an income problem.
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Unfortunately that template for a health family and society no long exists)
Of course it does, I've known probably two dozen families who have done it within the last 10 years. They simply prioritize their children rather than their house or car or vacations or careers or schedules.
And they come up with creative solutions. One couple I know arranged their work schedules so that even though both parents worked, one parent was always home. One spouse was a nurse, so he worked nights. The other spouse took a job outside of her degree field at a vacuum cleaner manufacturer. At one point the husband stopped working at the hospital, so the wife swapped to the night shift at the factory and he worked days at another clinic.
They raised three children this way, had no significant or fatal problems in their marriage, and their children turned out fine.
They own a house and everybody has a vehicle that will get them from point A to point B. Nobody has an $80,000 truck, and their house is modest and what would be considered small today, but their children were never put in the pathway of the nonsense that you see in public schools today and that you will continue to see in them.
Many more people could do this if they:
1. Accepted it as not just a possibility, but something that they needed to make happen
2. Quit getting divorced
3. Were willing to prioritize it above materialistic, career, and conventional considerations (which includes being willing to relocate to areas with lower cost of living and being willing to not work in your career field)
4. Just thought outside the box
It's simply not true that people can't do this. I've seen far too many people of average means do it to accept that.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/19/26 at 11:19 am to Azkiger
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False dichotomy. America can be culturally Christian AND have separation of Church and State.
I agree that there can be a separation of church and state.
I do not believe there can be a circumstance under which the core moralistic principles that guide the state you reference are not agreed upon however because without that nothing downstream functions.
Without objective truth nothing matters.
It’s either agreed to that murdering children to appease a god is wrong or it isn’t.
I’m not suggesting you need to be a Christian. I’m suggesting that if you can’t abide by the core moralistic principals set out in common Judeo-Christian tradition we are better off living in separate nations because we’re going to fight about almost everything and share little in common.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 11:26 am to Crimson1st
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You can't yank Biblical passages out of context and consistency and expect a truth to emerge
The Old Testament specifically references ba’al 90 times.
How is that taking a biblical passage out of context?
You can argue ba’al and satan want similar things and might even be on the same team (anti Yahweh) and I’d agree, but you are factually incorrect in saying they’re the same entity… they aren’t according to the Old Testament.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 11:33 am to tide06
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You can argue ba’al and satan want similar things and might even be on the same team (anti Yahweh) and I’d agree, but you are factually incorrect in saying they’re the same entity… they aren’t according to the Old Testament.
Correct. The modern concept of the Devil isn't really in the OT. That's why the competition for the Jewish God is other gods of the Bronze age in the Med region, ESPECIALLY the gods of the Canaanites, because of where Jewish people came from.
If you're a splinter group of Canaanites selling your new concept of God to traditional Canaanites, logically you'd expect to see references to the gods of traditional Canaannites, ie, Ba'al, Moloch, etc.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 11:57 am to tide06
quote:it does matter though because the same demonic forces alive in Canaan are the same ones at work today doing the exact same thing
Who they sacrifice the children to is less important than the fact that they’re sacrificing children so my advice is not to fight a semantic battle if the semantic battle keeps us from fighting the battle that actually matters.
If they aren’t of God they are of Satan. Always has been and always will be until Satan is finally destroyed
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Contrary to what Squirrelmeister frequently says, the religion of the Jewish Old Testament is monotheistic, where God affirms there is no god beside Him, and that the gods and idols of man are made with man's hands with no real power. It's why Elijah was happy to mock the prophets of Baal by asking if he was busy using the bathroom when he wasn't answering their prayers.
Correct. The modern concept of the Devil isn't really in the OT. That's why the competition for the Jewish God is other gods of the Bronze age in the Med region, ESPECIALLY the gods of the Canaanites, because of where Jewish people came from.
If you're a splinter group of Canaanites selling your new concept of God to traditional Canaanites, logically you'd expect to see references to the gods of traditional Canaannites, ie, Ba'al, Moloch, etc.
Satan, on the other hand, is mentioned several times in the OT Scriptures, most notably in the book of Job, which is often regarded as the oldest book, but also in 1 Chronicles and Zechariah 3:1. The serpent in Genesis 3 is associated with Satan in the Christian Scriptures, as well.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:03 pm to FooManChoo
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Contrary to what Squirrelmeister frequently says, the religion of the Jewish Old Testament is monotheistic, where God affirms there is no god beside Him, and that the gods and idols of man are made with man's hands with no real power
Stop this. You may not like Squirrelmeister’s beliefs or agree with some of his more esoteric interpretations, but his historical descriptions of the ancient Canaanite/Israelite belief system is entirely accurate.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:07 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Not according to God's word, it isn't.
You may not like Squirrelmeister’s beliefs or agree with some of his more esoteric interpretations, but his historical descriptions of the ancient Canaanite/Israelite belief system is entirely accurate.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:10 pm to FooManChoo
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the religion of the Jewish Old Testament is monotheistic,
-is
+evolved over time into being
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Satan, on the other hand, is mentioned several times in the OT Scriptures, most notably in the book of Job
Is that actually Satan or is that being interpreted post hoc from the Christian perspective?
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The serpent in Genesis 3 is associated with Satan in the Christian Scriptures, as well.
This is specific versions of retconning the scripture to force-feed in the modern concept of the devil. Probably what happened in Job, but we know this one for sure.
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:11 pm to FooManChoo
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Not according to God's word, it isn't.
If this is your stance, you need not post anymore on the subject.
Or I'd suggest just copy-pasting that exclusively as your response to save everyone time.
This post was edited on 2/19/26 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 2/19/26 at 12:12 pm to FooManChoo
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Not according to God's word, it isn't.
Yes, even according to what you call “God’s word”, it is.
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