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re: Riddle Me This Pro-Lifers
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:25 am to Roaad
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:25 am to Roaad
From your own god damn link:
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Currently, the federal government champions the abstinence-only approach, giving around $170 million each year to states and community groups to teach just-say-no sex education. This funding precludes mention of birth control and condoms, unless it’s to emphasize their failure rates. However, critics point out that studies have failed to show that abstinence-only education delays sex or lowers rates of teen pregnancy.
Gee, I wonder what the problem is.
That was in 2006. Have you been recycling that one every time this thread pops up, but still haven't bothered to read it?
Much of that policy (which started under the Reagan administration) changed in 2009 under Obama. Not coincidentally, teenage and unwanted pregnancies declined between then and 2017:
LINK
In further no shite correlations, abortions declined dramatically:
LINK
However, Donald Trump, in his unending pursuit to appease Neanderthals like yourself, has decided to reverse the course, because common sense is for liberal sickos:
LINK
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Roaad
In your near decade and a half of posting here, has no one bothered to call out your dumbass before?
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 1:27 am
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:30 am to ZweiBierBitte
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Not coincidentally, teenage and unwanted pregnancies declined between then and 2017:
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In further no shite correlations, abortions declined dramatically:
This is statistical malpractice and you know it.
Unwanted pregnancies and teen births have been declining for 20+ years. It seems very incorrect to me to attribute causation when the trend you are trying to prove was already happening.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 1:34 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:37 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Unwanted pregnancies and teen births have been declining for 20+ years. It seems very incorrect to me to attribute causation when the trend you are trying to prove was already happening.
Look at the rates of decline from your own graph and ask yourself who was president and when.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:44 am to ZweiBierBitte
I see a continuation of a broad trend beginning in the 60s (when the declines were just as steep)
Also, the pew article states the steep decline began in 2007.....
Also, the pew article states the steep decline began in 2007.....
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:39 am to ZweiBierBitte
Let's hope your wife aborts each of her pregnancies.
That is, if you're not homosexual...
That is, if you're not homosexual...
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:30 am to ZweiBierBitte
You asked,
In your words (pared down)...If ... unwanted pregnancy is murder...why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Is this the gist of your argument? That given church people assume abortion is murder, then why are they not doing more to stop it? We are not arguing that abortion is murder, as you started the question by allowing this assumption (not that you personally have this belief). I'm just interpreting my reading of your 1st sentence, in order to make sure we're on the same page.
(if so . . .)
Because sex education can be taught in various ways and manners. and it seems you're making the assumption only one particular method of will work. That multiple methods to prevent pregnancy should not be pursued. And that all people react the same way to the same facts, education, or training. And that it's useless to try various approaches to tackle a problem. As if you seem to be saying it's a waste to approach a problem from multiple angles.
Reading on with your quote:
So why shouldn't people, kid's in particular, not be presented with another method?
Particularly if this method is followed (they all have to be followed to be effective,) because it has the most potential to prevent an pregnancy. More than any other except castration or sterilization. Because as far as I can tell it's near zero in most cases.
And even if abstinence besoms temporary and later on it's adherents become sexually active, wouldn't this method have been effective in postponing or delaying an unwanted pregnancy? And if so, if it did nothing more than this, isn't the goal of most contraceptives to postpone or delay having children (as opposed to never having any)? Because if the motive is the later there are much more effective ways to achieve this than through abortion. (...let me know if I've read you wrong)
In your words (pared down)...If ... unwanted pregnancy is murder...why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Is this the gist of your argument? That given church people assume abortion is murder, then why are they not doing more to stop it? We are not arguing that abortion is murder, as you started the question by allowing this assumption (not that you personally have this belief). I'm just interpreting my reading of your 1st sentence, in order to make sure we're on the same page.
(if so . . .)
Because sex education can be taught in various ways and manners. and it seems you're making the assumption only one particular method of will work. That multiple methods to prevent pregnancy should not be pursued. And that all people react the same way to the same facts, education, or training. And that it's useless to try various approaches to tackle a problem. As if you seem to be saying it's a waste to approach a problem from multiple angles.
Reading on with your quote:
quote:As if the lectured are getting only 'abstinence only education'. If so that's your misconception. Because people are getting more information and education concerning conception and birth control than ever before. I understand that you consider abstinence a lesser policy however shouldn't it be included as one possibility?
On the other hand, abstinence only education and unaffordable birth control leads to more unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Period. There's no debate.
So why shouldn't people, kid's in particular, not be presented with another method?
Particularly if this method is followed (they all have to be followed to be effective,) because it has the most potential to prevent an pregnancy. More than any other except castration or sterilization. Because as far as I can tell it's near zero in most cases.
And even if abstinence besoms temporary and later on it's adherents become sexually active, wouldn't this method have been effective in postponing or delaying an unwanted pregnancy? And if so, if it did nothing more than this, isn't the goal of most contraceptives to postpone or delay having children (as opposed to never having any)? Because if the motive is the later there are much more effective ways to achieve this than through abortion. (...let me know if I've read you wrong)
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 6:41 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:33 am to ZweiBierBitte
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If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is, why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Your OP is awfully lame. The church is foremost in the morality business, morality being the basic tenet of all real religions = how to lead a moral and purposeful life.
The church is not in the business of how to live an immoral life and escape the consequences of it. It is certainly not in the business of promoting the means for enjoying your immorality. The church leaves that up to DEMOCRATS.
Sex is first and foremost the means by which nature has chosen to provide for the survival of the specie. The church recognizes that basic tenet. Nature has provided that there is a pleasurable aspect of the sex act to ensure that it is a primal drive in all living animals to encourage them to engage in the furtherance of the species.
Sex, and the pleasure associated with it, did not evolve so that a bunch of drunken teenagers or adult sluts can get their jollies off.
Religions have recognized the dilemma this 'pleasure' vs 'procreation' aspect of the sex act has presented to humans. It doesnt exist in lower species - as a rule even goats engage in sex when their 'season' comes to fruition and otherwise go about their business of eating tin cans in comic strips.
Sexual promiscuity has been the bane of human nature since the beginning of time. It brings disease, domestic turmoil, and has been the prime mover for most of human misery. The need for 'contraceptives' is the the penalty for unbridled promiscuity even in modern times - and the primary reason for 'contraceptives' is not the prevention of pregnancy, it is the need to protect against the diseases that promiscuity spreads.
The church has a simple and time-tested cure for the diseases promiscuity brings - don't engage in it. Choosing a life-long mate and containing sexual activity within that marriage is a proven prevention of sexually transmitted diseases. It works every time it is tried. It also promotes all the 'good' things that the human experience is all about. It avoids psychological turmoil and it ensures the procreation of happy families.
I shake my head at the whines of the promiscuity worshippers who want to revel in all the carnal pleasures that come with the sex act but demand that someone else pay for their 'protection' from the known risks of their pleasures.
I say - go frick yourself - (that works too)
Posted on 5/14/18 at 5:07 am to ZweiBierBitte
This is a bad argument man. We still have freedom of religion in this country and most religions preach abstinence and the minions have their marching orders. Regardless of that thought abstinence is the best way to prevent pregnancy whether you like it or not. Its just not realistic.
I'm pro choice for the simple fact their are over 100000 kids that need adoption and that number had stayed consistent for awhile now.
Until all these pro lifers step up and start adopting kids they are just blowing smoke while standing on their moral high ground like they are above it all.
I honestly don't necessarily like abortion. But until our society steps up and is okay helping innocent kids without homes and struggling parents who need help (not the government owes me ones mind you) then unfortunately its something we have to keep.
Condoms are cheap. Birth control for women should honestly be easier and cheaper to get. But that isn't the real crux of the issue. Its the all life is precious until it's born then its not my problem mentality most pro lifers have
I'm pro choice for the simple fact their are over 100000 kids that need adoption and that number had stayed consistent for awhile now.
Until all these pro lifers step up and start adopting kids they are just blowing smoke while standing on their moral high ground like they are above it all.
I honestly don't necessarily like abortion. But until our society steps up and is okay helping innocent kids without homes and struggling parents who need help (not the government owes me ones mind you) then unfortunately its something we have to keep.
Condoms are cheap. Birth control for women should honestly be easier and cheaper to get. But that isn't the real crux of the issue. Its the all life is precious until it's born then its not my problem mentality most pro lifers have
Posted on 5/14/18 at 5:34 am to ZweiBierBitte
quote:
why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Are you going to tell me that the modern teen isn't already awash in sex education information? Don't they start telling kids about this stuff in kindergarten now?
This is a complete copout.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 5:40 am to Revelator
Unfortunately, you'd be shocked by the misinformation regarding sex and pregnancy still rampant among teenagers.
For instance, many believe having sex on top or standing up after sex prevents pregnancy. Many believe pulling out is a reliable method of contraception. Most believe you can't get STDs from oral sex.
And on and on.
For instance, many believe having sex on top or standing up after sex prevents pregnancy. Many believe pulling out is a reliable method of contraception. Most believe you can't get STDs from oral sex.
And on and on.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 5:50 am to ZweiBierBitte
quote:
unaffordable birth control
A myth perpetuated by the left.
Plenty of clinics that give out free condoms which can also be purchased at any convenience store.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:02 am to mindbreaker
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I'm pro choice for the simple fact their are over 100000 kids that need adoption and that number had stayed consistent for awhile now.
I am pro-life in the same sense that I am pro-SEC. I would never base my vote on it. It is a moral issue to me and if I have to choose which side to be on, then Life is a lot better than Death.
But to use your
quote:then I will respond with
Until all these pro lifers step up and
Until the pro-abortion folks step up and apply that rationale to the immigration problem, then I will continue believing that the whole life/abortion issue is just about political power rather than the specifics of the issues that bear their name.
We hear constantly about "great people" that may be denied entry to the USA if we enforce our immigration laws. But nobody seems to care about the 'great people' whose bodies are torn apart days before birth and tossed into the garbage disposal. I submit we are losing infinitely more 'great people' via abortion than we would by enforcing our immigration laws.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:03 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Unfortunately, you'd be shocked by the misinformation regarding sex and pregnancy still rampant among teenagers. For instance, many believe having sex on top or standing up after sex prevents pregnancy. Many believe pulling out is a reliable method of contraception. Most believe you can't get STDs from oral sex. And on and on.
And we are to believe as the poster claims, this is the church's fault?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I also love how you claim birth control is "unaffordable"..... do you live under a rock?
Maybe the OP is Sandra Flake.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:10 am to ZweiBierBitte
I wonder if any anti-choice groups have ever passed out condoms during their blockades outside clinics.
I've never heard of such, but it would make all sorts of common sense.
I've never heard of such, but it would make all sorts of common sense.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:12 am to BigAppleBucky
Good grief.
Parenting and personal responsibility is dead for half of this country.
Parenting and personal responsibility is dead for half of this country.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:13 am to ZweiBierBitte
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unaffordable birth control
How much is a condom? 50 cents? REALLY unaffordable.
quote:
why are your churches ... not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Uhh.. seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:16 am to BigAppleBucky
Abortion is used by liberals to keep the black population down. When they talk about “unwanted babies” they mean they don’t want more black babies. The facts of who has abortions and specifically those who get them with the help of govt make this undeniable.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 6:19 am to ZweiBierBitte
This is a BS question. It works both ways pal. People on both sides don't teach contraception just like on both sides, some do. Imagine this, there are some women working on their 9th abortion whose parents are libtards. Let's ignore that though.. I think with the next election going to a dem, this country is screwed.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 6:23 am
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