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re: Ron Desantis goes full Kasich while his poll #s plunge
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:24 pm to moneyg
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:24 pm to moneyg
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The GOPe are the current leadership and power brokers within the party.
Define current leadership. Does that mean literal congressional leadership positions only? Be precise.
Define “power brokers” as well.
These things should not be difficult in any way to define, since you use them so often in your posts. Clearly you have a concrete and define-able idea of what they mean.
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Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:26 pm to RazorBroncs
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What makes Desantis GOPe that doesn't make Trump also GOPe?
Desantis is supported by the GOPe. That's the major difference. And, Desantis hasn't expressed any opposition to the GOPe. Those two things are the difference. Of course, I've stated this multiple times. You haven't taken the time to read this thread or the thread I linked.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:27 pm to moneyg
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Desantis is supported by the GOPe. That's the major difference. And, Desantis hasn't expressed any opposition to the GOPe. Those two things are the difference. Of course, I've stated this multiple times. You haven't taken the time to read this thread or the thread I linked.
Name the GOPe.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:28 pm to moneyg
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More importantly, the fact that you need it defined explains why you are at odds with the majority of Republican voters
No. In fact, your inability to articulate the basis of your position only solidifies my belief that what you describe as a “majority” (it isn’t) of Republican voters have never undergone any type of intellectual exercise and/or thought their position through to its logical conclusion.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:29 pm to moneyg
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The GOPe are the current leadership and power brokers within the party.
Uhhhh... Who might that be?
ETA -
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Desantis is supported by the GOPe. That's the major difference. And, Desantis hasn't expressed any opposition to the GOPe. Those two things are the difference. Of course, I've stated this multiple times. You haven't taken the time to read this thread or the thread I linked.
What GOPe supports Desantis? And yes, Desantis has 100% expressed opposition to the establishment, you're just not paying attention because you don't want to.
When has Trump expressed opposition to the GOPe in your mind?
You're pigeon holed into your ideals and echo chamber so you don't even TRY to inform yourself
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:29 pm to RazorBroncs
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What makes Desantis GOPe and Trump not GOPe?
Quit dodging it. It should be easy since this is the foundation of your entire system
his feelings
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:29 pm to moneyg
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GOPe
Your definition of this is insufficient and requires more explanation. Do better.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:34 pm to Indefatigable
I'll be honest....this thread has been beyond entertaining all afternoon. 
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:38 pm to moneyg
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Desantis hasn't expressed any opposition to the GOPe.
This is dancing past the truth. DeSantis has taken many non-GOPe positions - that is, positions directly at odds with GOPe positions.
He has stated strong opposition to illegal immigration.
CPAC in 2021
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“We cannot, we will not, go back to the days of the failed Republican establishment of yesteryear,” he continued. “We reject open borders and instead support American sovereignty and the American worker. Building a movement on amnesty and cheap foreign labor is like building a house on a field of quicksand.”
He has advocated for a strong military while decrying “military adventurism” and saying we shouldn’t be involved in commitments where there’s not clear rationale for what we’re doing and no clear objective to be met.
He has stated he would be ok with the use of tariffs.
You can find other examples when you surface into the real world for air.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:39 pm to Indefatigable
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Define current leadership. Does that mean literal congressional leadership positions only? Be precise.
Define “power brokers” as well.
These things should not be difficult in any way to define, since you use them so often in your posts. Clearly you have a concrete and define-able idea of what they mean.
It's all of the above. They control access to party money, access to committee assignments, access to 3rd party money, etc. These are elected officials like McConnell and behind the scenes people like the Bush clan. It has immense power. And, because that group is corrupt as frick, it has become totally detached from the Republican electorate and instead beholden to those who will pay for influence.
That corruption, combined with the reality that many of these leaders are truly RINOs (I mean that literally. They are Democrats) make the party truly just controlled opposition.
It resulted in these fricking terrible wars we've been in for decades that has cost us tens of trillions and these perpetual omnibus bills that perpetuate the overspending.
The fricking Republican house just agreed to a 4T increase in the debt limit with zero in return because the leadership put its foot down and demanded it. The best argument for agreeing to it was that if it went to the Senate Republican leadership would agree to an even worse bill.
The Republican party is broken. Pretending that it is capable of internally fixing itself by nominating its preferred candidate is folly.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:41 pm to pankReb
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I'll be honest....this thread has been beyond entertaining all afternoon.
I don’t know why anyone would derive entertainment from any aspect of our current situation, in the broad sense. This seems to be one of our most destructive problems, self-destructive to be more precise. All self-identifying rightists should be endeavoring to bridge divides, not take pleasure in them. And yes I get that it’s a problem on the other side, and the other side from that…..all sides, I think we could or should acknowledge. And no I’m not claiming innocence for myself either.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:41 pm to moneyg
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They
Who? List them.
I don’t dispute your diatribe on dysfunctional government. In fact I broadly agree with your characterization of the dysfunction. But that does not answer my question in any way.
I want you to coherently and with particularity define “GOPe” in terms that are not ambiguous or general. Name them. Who is GOPe, and who is not?
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:41 pm to moneyg
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The fricking Republican house just agreed to a 4T increase in the debt limit
…sigh…
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:42 pm to Indefatigable
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They
Who? List them.
The people Trump hired to run his campaign.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:43 pm to the808bass
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He has advocated for a strong military while decrying “military adventurism” and saying we shouldn’t be involved in commitments where there’s not clear rationale for what we’re doing and no clear objective to be met.
He has stated he would be ok with the use of tariffs.
You can find other examples when you surface into the real world for air.
Desantis' platform is a good one. It's very close to Trump's platform...especially in the last 2 weeks. Likewise, Trump just gave a speech minutes ago you should listen to. It's very aligned with Desantis on many things.
You don't want to listen. I've said it over and over. The complaint isn't Desantis per se. It's the GOPe. And, Desantis is the GOPe candidate.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:44 pm to moneyg
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And, Desantis is the GOPe candidate.
show your work
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:47 pm to RCDfan1950
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If they take Trump out, this Nation is headed to meltdown. As it should, in order to avert 'banana republic' fascism.
We sat there & watched them use a coup to overthrow him.
America has already fallen.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:51 pm to moneyg
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You don't want to listen. I've said it over and over. The complaint isn't Desantis per se. It's the GOPe. And, Desantis is the GOPe candidate.
Desantis' remarks on taking down the Republican Establishment
YOU don't want to listen.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 5:54 pm to RazorBroncs
He's going to ignore that.
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