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Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:44 am to Wednesday
You can never really tell from supreme court arguments but I can definitely see the upholding of Roe but the striking down of Casey. That would give some like Roberts some cover.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:45 am to Masterag
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fair point, but considering the fact that virtually all metro areas in the southern/midwestern red states are deep blue, that makes an even split very challenging.
Agreed. All the more reason to take slim majorities and use them in hostile fashion. It's not polite, but while we still can, the message needs to be "you're not welcome, GTFO"
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:45 am to SECbro
I’m just curious about whether Thomas would have asked if the child has any interest in protection.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:46 am to Wednesday
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I have not heard her answer directly one single question aside from softballs lobbed by Wise Latina.
Her argument is that poor people are harmed and that women have a lifestyle impaired if they are “forced to have a baby.”
She’s a moron.
She has not made one logical argument why Roe makes sense aside from the Supreme Court decided Roe.
There is no difference btwn Roe and Pleasy v Ferguson. None. Alito schooled her
she'd dead wrong on everything, and her logic makes no sense. but she's got a good delivery and knows how to debate. one can be confident and dead wrong at the same time. she knows how to play the non answer/answer game, which has been known to fool a lot of the people a lot of the time.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:47 am to Pettifogger
Who here thinks this will end up 3-3-3
3 for
3 against
3 just punting claiming whatever
3 for
3 against
3 just punting claiming whatever
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:47 am to Jbird
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Sotomayor just compared an unborn child recoiling at being poked or prodded to a brain dead person having some sort of physical reaction
Brain dead people don't have physical reactions. Their bodies have autonomous reactions the same way your knee moves when it is tapped. It's not the the same way an unborn child reacts to being poked and prodded.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:49 am to Wednesday
Kav - you identify critical interests - the other side says there is interest in fetal life. (FINALLY). The reason this issue is hard, is that you have to allow one interest to prevail over the other. What is your reaction? How do you allow woman to prevail over baby, and so she why should this court be the arbiter? (Ppl in diff states value differently).
Death Woman- different rules would impair fundamental right of women and force them to give birth.
(Vomit)
Death Woman- different rules would impair fundamental right of women and force them to give birth.
(Vomit)
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:51 am to Wednesday
ACB - you talk about women relying on Roe to be able to participate in society. Safe haven laws.
Death Lady: adoption is already an alternative.
ACB - so it’s the rights to terminate Preg as opposed
To parental rights.
Death Lady -
Yes
Death Lady: adoption is already an alternative.
ACB - so it’s the rights to terminate Preg as opposed
To parental rights.
Death Lady -
Yes
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:53 am to Wednesday
Contraceptives are far more available free then it was under Casey. BOOM from Kav.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:54 am to Wednesday
Mississippi- death people have ignored “safe haven laws” that relieve burdens placed by being a parent or you’re not ready. The lowest cost Abortion $600. The costs of contraception is lower.
Overruling Roe would keep the court neutral.
This is unique for woman and baby. Should be left to the ppl to decide.
It took 58 yrs for this court to recognize seperate but equal is wrong. We’re Running up on 50 yrs of Roe.
Done.
Court adjourned
Overruling Roe would keep the court neutral.
This is unique for woman and baby. Should be left to the ppl to decide.
It took 58 yrs for this court to recognize seperate but equal is wrong. We’re Running up on 50 yrs of Roe.
Done.
Court adjourned
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:55 am to Pettifogger
court adjourned until Monday next at 10 oclock.
last statement on State deciding was
last statement on State deciding was
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:58 am to Wednesday
Thanks for the updates
“Death lady”
“Death lady”
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:01 am to Wednesday
quote:
There’s no emergency- like for example a stay of execution or something
Or ramrodding bogus election results through certification...
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:02 am to Wednesday
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I’m just curious about whether Thomas would have asked if the child has any interest in protection.
According to them, it's not a human being until it can vote.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:03 am to SECbro
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You can never really tell from supreme court arguments but I can definitely see the upholding of Roe but the striking down of Casey. That would give some like Roberts some cover.
In a way I think yes. But I think they will overrule the part of Casey that says stare decisis shouldn’t apply to Roe.
The justices did to some extent signal that the other privacy cases (birth control, gay marriage, etc) would remain unaltered if Roe were overruled.
Roberta will find a way to punt.
Kagan and Breyer will vote together.
Wise Latina will write some nonsensical dissent.
Kav, Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch will vote together.
Law in this area will still be a shite show.
The thing that they’re struggling with is how to make a constitutional standard regarding the point in pregnancy that it’s ok to have an abortion. I don’t know how they make a decision that has legal precedent without having evidence. There’s no legislative rule saying “viability” so a rule saying 15 wks is no different. It was pulled out of the air as a policy judgment by Mississippi.
Roe never made sense and Mississippi is right. The problem is that there is no objective standard in law for court to fall back on, and it has politicized the SCOTUS and done much damage to our court system. abortion is a legislative determination, not judicial and i frankly hope that Roe is overruled for violating the separation of powers doctrine.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:06 am to Wednesday
Maybe I'm being naive, but the Constitution's silence on the issue itself should be a slam dunk for allowing states themselves to determine the legality/availability of abortion services by virtue of the 10A.
It's really not that complicated.
For their argument that it's "part of the fabric of our society," so was slavery. And segregation. And voting rights for white men only.
It's really not that complicated.
For their argument that it's "part of the fabric of our society," so was slavery. And segregation. And voting rights for white men only.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:07 am to Wednesday
quote:
Law in this area will still be a shite show.
The thing that they’re struggling with is how to make a constitutional standard regarding the point in pregnancy that it’s ok to have an abortion. I don’t know how they make a decision that has legal precedent without having evidence. There’s no legislative rule saying “viability” so a rule saying 15 wks is no different. It was pulled out of the air as a policy judgment by Mississippi.
Roe never made sense and Mississippi is right. The problem is that there is no objective standard in law for court to fall back on, and it has politicized the SCOTUS and done much damage to our court system. abortion is a legislative determination, not judicial and i frankly hope that Roe is overruled for violating the separation of powers doctrine.
Really good analysis ...thanks for breaking it down and posting
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:20 am to VoxDawg
quote:I’ve tried that. It doesn’t work.
You know good and well that no one's going to be able to carry this torch as well as you do.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:21 am to VoxDawg
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According to them, it's not a human being until it can vote.
Not really true - left believes being alive is not a prerequisite to vote
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