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re: SCOTUS rejects gun rights appeal
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:31 pm to bmy
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:31 pm to bmy
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It's weird that all of these "constitutionalists" on the poliboard ignore that the Constitution was created to limit the federal government and not the states. If we are looking at it historically you as an individual have no right to carry a firearm in a state that does not wish for you to do so
The distinction and division has been obfuscated and abused on purpose, IMO. The Bill of Rights, and most of the Amendments are the rights and powers of the citizen. The Constitution itself mostly is the rights and powers of the federal government. Any power not granted to the feds in the Constitution is supposed to be left to each state.
So, not sure how to take your second sentence. Historically, constitutionally, neither the state nor the federal government can limit a citizen's right to keep and bear. Inalienable means what it says.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 3:35 pm
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No, not really. It's a bad point. Period.
If you say so. I'm just a plain old boy from Arkansas. Nuance is lost on me. Looks pretty black and white, and was probably meant to stay that way. Then came the lawyers.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:46 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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The Trump administration had urged the court to review an appellate ruling that restored the rights of two men who had been convicted of non-violent crimes to own guns.
The federal appeals court in Philadelphia ruled for the two men. The crimes were classified as misdemeanors, which typically are less serious, but carried potential prison sentences of more than a year. Such prison terms typically are for felonies, more serious crimes.
I have a hard time believing Sessions would EVER be okay with this, considering how heavy-handed he wants criminal punishments to be.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:47 pm to troyt37
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Nuance is lost on me.
Two bad comparisons make that quite clear.
No worries. Your overall position is sound.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:05 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your overall position is sound.
Better than normal, then. I'll take it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:11 pm to troyt37
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:00 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I'm good with both rulings. As a gun rights supporter and constitutionalist the constitution guarantees you the right to keep and bear arms. I believe this guarantees you can own guns and maintain them on your property whether that be your vehicle or home. I don't think it guarantees you can carry a gun anywhere you want, though I support open and conceal carry. I think that aspect is a power relegated to the states and local governments.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:04 pm to troyt37
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It's weird that all of these "constitutionalists" on the poliboard ignore that the Constitution was created to limit the federal government and not the states. If we are looking at it historically you as an individual have no right to carry a firearm in a state that does not wish for you to do so
Um. No.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:48 pm to deltaland
Courts may not have backed it up, but the Constitution plainly states two rights. The right to keep arms, and the right to bear arms. I'm sure this is much too plain an explanation for the more highly educated here, but at some point we have to return to what the document says, rather than what legions of educated idiots say it says.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:55 pm to bmy
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It's weird that all of these "constitutionalists" on the poliboard ignore that the Constitution was created to limit the federal government and not the states. If we are looking at it historically you as an individual have no right to carry a firearm in a state that does not wish for you to do so
Actually, while the First Amendment allows states to abridge the freedom of speech ("...Congress shall pass no law..."), the Second Amendment offers more universal protection against all levels of government ("...shall not be infringed.")
Posted on 6/26/17 at 6:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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The high court also turned away a second case involving guns and the federal law that bars people convicted of crimes from owning guns.
Irritating.
Once you have paid your debt to society, you should be able to vote and own a gun.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:56 pm to Jcorye1
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Once you have paid your debt to society, you should be able to vote and own a gun.
Maybe, if you did all the time you were sentenced to (no good behavior time, or early parole) and the crime you commited didn't involve a firearm. Not too sure a convicted armed robber should be able to legally own a gun. Just as I don't think a pedo should be able to work at a daycare.
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