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re: Sen. Brandon Smith- America's new dumbest Senator
Posted on 7/10/14 at 9:18 pm to BugAC
Posted on 7/10/14 at 9:18 pm to BugAC
quote:Link for the bold?
There are roughly 7,000,000,000 humans on earth
There are roughly:
240,000,000,000 livestock on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land mammals on earth
400,000,000,000 land birds on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land reptiles on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land amphibians on earth
All of whom which breath oxygen and expel carbon dioxide. This accounts for more co2 in the air than all the vehicles and industrial plants in the world combine. As humans we account for about .023% of the world's living land species (not including insects). So how is .023% of the world's living population of land mammals causing more CO2 than volcanoes and all other natural occuring processes?
And to the leftist geniuses how will 4% of the human population (America's population) be responsible for the world's co2 composition?
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 9:58 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Link for the bold?
You want a link showing that animals breathe air and expel co2?
I'm on my phone tonight but I'll give you links and stats tomorrow
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:17 pm to BugAC
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It sounds like you have no idea what is causing climate change, but you heard a democrat say it's co2 so you went with it.
No, I understand the factors. I'm well researched on the subject, so frick off.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:21 pm to BugAC
While you're at it, maybe tell us where all the extra land mammals, birds, reptiles, and/or amphibians are hiding while they exhale enough CO2 to take us from 280ppm to 400ppm since the Industrial Revolution (the last half of that coming since 1980). Since apparently I've been gravely misinformed and that 40% jump in CO2 has really come from cow burps and not any of that pesky coal.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:27 pm to BugAC
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He thinks humans are the cause for the temperature to be 88 instead of 85.
No, I don't think that, and that's not what 3% means.
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And he believes legislation aimed at less than 4% of that .023% will somehow reverse that. Meanwhile he ignores the impact of volcanoes in terms of co2.
No, I don't believe that, you fricking a-hole. I believe we're screwed regardless, and for the time being, things will go the way they will. But by the time we're screwed, we need to have a contingency plan in place and in progress to return the planet to where it was. I know humanity well enough that they won't do something until the last minute and until they're absolutely screwed. But I also have enough faith in humanity that as a whole they are well meaning and will rise to the occasion when it inevitably happens. Unfortunately, we have idiots like you in power now to where I know I'll have to be patient, but I'll wait, and hopefully live to see humanities greatest moment where we save ourselves from our own irrational greed.
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He also ignores the change in climate in Europe from tropical to Mediterranean, and the little ice age. His facts are "scientists say so" yet those same scientists own emails have stated that the results did not favor their desires result so they used wordplay to try to explain around the facts.
Yeah, 97% percent of scientists agree with me, which is about on par with scientists who believe in evolution. I'm not going to kid myself with idiots like you, I'm going to look to the future and sponsor anything rational these people can do to reduce climate change.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:33 pm to Iosh
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While you're at it, maybe tell us where all the extra land mammals, birds, reptiles, and/or amphibians are hiding while they exhale enough CO2 to take us from 280ppm to 400ppm since the Industrial Revolution (the last half of that coming since 1980). Since apparently I've been gravely misinformed and that 40% jump in CO2 has really come from cow burps and not any of that pesky coal.
Don't worry about him. He has us covered. He wants us to know its a complete coincidence that the CO2 spike in the past 200 years is a mere coincidence, and has nothing to do with humanity, despite all common sense that says otherwise. He is just so much smarter than us and any scientist working on the project. He is genius.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:35 pm to OMLandshark
And since when have volcanos rapidly erupted? Has it been more than the past 1000 years? No? Then shut the frick up.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:43 pm to OMLandshark
"congressman" 
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:00 pm to OMLandshark
quote:The 97% figure is of papers, not of scientists, and it's only of papers expressing a position on AGW. (Also I think Cook's methodology is kind of shite.)
Yeah, 97% percent of scientists agree with me, which is about on par with scientists who believe in evolution. I'm not going to kid myself with idiots like you, I'm going to look to the future and sponsor anything rational these people can do to reduce climate change.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:04 pm to Iosh
Your under the delusion that co2 is the cause of climate change. I'm pointing out the fact that if you are going to attribute co2 then you are forgetting than man, and especially American humans, are responsible for very little percentage of co2.
Did you forget to respond to the earths past climate change cycles?
Did you forget to respond to the earths past climate change cycles?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:06 pm to OMLandshark
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And since when have volcanos rapidly erupted? Has it been more than the past 1000 years? No? Then shut the frick up.
Wow, you just lost the argument. Good job in showing your ignorance. I bring up a counter to your lies and you get angry and start cussing. I'll accept that as your admission to losing the debate
Also, I just saw that you called me a "fricking a-hole" for countering your argument. Further more proof you are child when it comes to rational debates. I wouldn't expect less from the sheep on the left.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:08 pm to OMLandshark
quote:the other 97% doesn't "add up over time"? Interdasting.
But that 3% adds up over time
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:40 pm to BugAC
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Your under the delusion that co2 is the cause of climate change. I'm pointing out the fact that if you are going to attribute co2 then you are forgetting than man, and especially American humans, are responsible for very little percentage of co2.
You are under the delusion that humans have to emit a majority of CO2 for global warming to be attributable to fossil fuels. All humans have to do is emit enough CO2 to overcome the natural slack in the carbon cycle. Nature emits CO2, but nature also absorbs CO2. Right now we're burning that candle at both ends by emitting fossil fuels and clear-cutting the best natural carbon sinks.
We can catch ourselves even more red-handed by looking at the isotope balances in the CO2. Recent direct measurements have shown that the C13 and C14 isotopes are getting much less frequent in the atmosphere. Why is this? Well, we know from biochemistry that Rubisco, the main driver of plant metabolism, prefers C12 to C13, so organic sources of CO2 have lower ratios of C13 than inorganic sources. So that rules out the ocean or the volcanoes as sources for this carbon. It's definitely organic. But current sources of organic carbon also contain a certain amount of C14, because despite Rubisco's discrimination, C14 is constantly being formed in the atmosphere at a low level by cosmic rays bombarding N14. The only way you could get carbon with unusually low ratios of C13 and C14 would be to sequester organic carbon far away from the natural cycle and cosmic rays for a few tens of thousands of years while the C14 degraded. Let's say... deep underground.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 11:45 pm to BugAC
quote:
There are roughly 7,000,000,000 humans on earth
There are roughly:
240,000,000,000 livestock on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land mammals on earth
400,000,000,000 land birds on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land reptiles on earth
10,000,000,000,000 land amphibians on earth
Don't forget quadrillions of termites, each of which are not only CO2, but also methane producing machines.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 12:00 am to Iosh
So are you trying to tell me that plant life will not process co2 coming from "man made sources" or that plant life prefers more natural co2?
Secondly, you post as if you are rather knowledgeable on the subject (either that or you are copy/pasting it from somewhere). Explain the history of earths climate changes. And why now is all of a sudden attributed to man. And more importantly since everyone has avoided the question, how is democrat legislation aimed at American companies opposed by the EPA and the left going to fix anything.
Secondly, you post as if you are rather knowledgeable on the subject (either that or you are copy/pasting it from somewhere). Explain the history of earths climate changes. And why now is all of a sudden attributed to man. And more importantly since everyone has avoided the question, how is democrat legislation aimed at American companies opposed by the EPA and the left going to fix anything.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 12:45 am to BugAC
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So are you trying to tell me that plant life will not process co2 coming from "man made sources" or that plant life prefers more natural co2?
Neither. The distinction is not "man made" and "natural." The distinction is organic (low-C13) and inorganic (high-C13). Fossil fuels count as organic cos the name and all. We then use low-C14 to show that the organic carbon must be coming from a source isolated from the atmosphere. Process of elimination = fossil fuels.
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Secondly, you post as if you are rather knowledgeable on the subject (either that or you are copy/pasting it from somewhere). Explain the history of earths climate changes.
I mean, to boil down the insanely complicated topic of paleoclimatology, you can pretty much explain everything with either the Sun, CO2, or both. There are a few other forces that nibble at the edges, or show up once to make a dramatic impact (asteroids!), but you can basically blend proxies for solar irradiance and CO2, and set them against proxies for temperature, and get a decent correlation, much better than either of them alone:
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And why now is all of a sudden attributed to man.
See above discussion re isotopes. Also solar irradiance has been on a downward trend since the late 1970s, it's not a very likely suspect.
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And more importantly since everyone has avoided the question, how is democrat legislation aimed at American companies opposed by the EPA and the left going to fix anything.
I would probably shite on the policy agendas of the greens and the left as much as anyone here. Their proposed solutions being bad and possibly self-serving doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:42 am to DelU249
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Humans account for 3% of carbon emissions in any given year.
3% X 33.333333.. = 100%.
So what you're saying is we can potentially double the Earth's atmospheric Co2 in only 33 years.
Frightening indeed. Thanks for pointing this out.
Though it won't matter much to the denialist morons.
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 4:45 am
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:42 am to BugAC
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A single volcanic eruption can emit more carbon into our atmosphere than a lifetime of humans living their lives.
It could.
When it actually happens.... let us know.
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Hey troll, what about the ridiculous climate hysteria people who blame the current situation in Iraq on Climate Change?
Are any of them in Congress?
Posted on 7/11/14 at 4:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Is climate change making Irag unstable?
Obviously to suggest that people might fight over lack of water is just as dumb as stating that Mars and Earth are the exact same temperature.
What state elected Eric Holthaus, btw?
This post was edited on 7/11/14 at 4:50 am
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