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re: Should Trump send troops into Mexico?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:24 pm to TheBeezer
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:24 pm to TheBeezer
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the WoT was a ruse created deliberately by the warmongering neocon establishment namely Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld
And this would therefore be nothing more than more neocon warmongering by neocons like TheBeezer.
You haven't cited any differences.
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This crippled our nation with trillions in debt while 1000s of our service members (those who actually made it back) suffer from life altering PTSD from witnessing the horrors of their buddies losing their lives and limbs from IEDs while others die later on from chemical exposures which to this day our military and gov't still deny occur. Last but not least the causing of the death of millions of innocent civilians in these countries further plunging the region into chaos for years and ultimately damaging our country's image around as a so-called peace keeper and "to make the world safe for Democracy."
EXACTLY why I don't want to do this again in Mexico. Hence my initial reply:
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This would be another Iraq situation, so not just no, but frick no.
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do we have that sort of border with Canada? No. Why? No reason/need. We can do the same with Mexico's border.
You are equating a first-world former British province, with a third world country, and you are fricking stupid for doing so. You can raise Mexico's standard of living to that of Luxembourg, and the Mexican government is still not going to pony up to pay for food, housing, education, and medical treatment for its people. It's just not what they are about. Why can't you get that? The disaffected will still have it much easier by criminally entering the US.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:37 pm to Geekboy
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Should Trump send troops into Mexico?
We don't need troops. Limited, quiet drone strikes on cartel facilities would send enough a message. We have enough imbedded intel that we know where every single manufacturing site in the whole fricking country is. Blow all of them up. Then blow up the replacement sites. Do this until the cartels are weak enough and see where you stand.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:42 pm to troyt37
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You are equating a first-world former British province, with a third world country,
Mexico wouldn't be "third world" if that term had applicability today.
Mexico has the 15th largest economy in the world, ahead of Turkey, Netherlands, Switzerland, Poland, Taiwan, Belgium, Sweden, Argentina, Ireland, Austria, Israel, Norway, etc.
It's per capita is lower at 68, but that's still ahead of China, Argentina, and Brazil and just behind Russia
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Mexico has the 15th largest economy in the world,
Damn boy. You just can't get enough punishment, can you?
What happens to Mexico's economy when you remove remittances from the US? What happens to it when Mexico has an estimated 20 million more people to feed, house, educate, and medicate, that is currently being financed by the US taxpayer? What happens if Mexico has to actually defend it's own country, instead of comfortably living under our protection? Obviously they can't muster a healthy shite, since they can't manage to eradicate the cartels who have been dealing death and destruction in both countries for decades.
Take you a nice trip to Juarez. Then come back and tell me how Mexico isn't a third world country.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:57 pm to troyt37
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Damn boy. You just can't get enough punishment, can you?
By showing how you're wrong over and over again?
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What happens to it when Mexico has an estimated 20 million more people to feed, house, educate, and medicate,
You still don't understand that not all brown spanish speakers are Mexicans
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We would ultimately lose, too, just like with the WOR in Iraq/Afghanistan
We didn’t lose the fighting part. We lost the nation building part trying to turn a country of goat fricking inbreds into a democracy.
We could definitely take out the cartels. Just don’t make the mistake of trying to turn Mexico into a functioning country.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:58 pm to Giantkiller
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We don't need troops. Limited, quiet drone strikes on cartel facilities would send enough a message. We have enough imbedded intel that we know where every single manufacturing site in the whole fricking country is. Blow all of them up. Then blow up the replacement sites. Do this until the cartels are weak enough and see where you stand.
Dude....drugs are made all over the world. The Mexican cartels mainly take care of the distribution to the U.S.
If you don't even have a basic understanding of the issue, maybe you should read up on it before commenting.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:00 pm to Drizzt
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We didn’t lose the fighting part.
We beat the governments. Not the terrorists.
We can beat Mexico's military in a conventional war quite easily, too. That's not the discussion, though.
Eliminating the cartels will be the same challenge as eliminating terrorist groups. We failed at that in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You still don't understand that not all brown spanish speakers are Mexicans
And you still don't understand that the "lows" on your own chart represents well over 100,000 MEXICANS per year, illegally trying to enter this country, which doesn't even attempt to flesh out the number who made it through without having an "encounter."
To argue that we don't have tens of millions of criminal illegal MEXICANS in this country is a whole new level of stupid for you, fricko. Congratulations?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:11 pm to troyt37
The melt continues 
I tried, but you're too emotional to discuss topics that involve data and rational analysis.
This is more your speed
I tried, but you're too emotional to discuss topics that involve data and rational analysis.
This is more your speed
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Mexico invaded the US a long time ago.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:14 pm to Geekboy
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To clean up the cartels. Mexico isn’t going to do anything about. They are responsible for our immigration and drug problems.
Sure, we're so great at cleaning up messes. Let's try some more closer to home so when we frick that up...
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The best economic solution (beyond legalizing drugs) is to pay Mexico and the Cartels to do stop dealing drugs.
Would be a lot cheaper than war.
The cheapest option would be for Americans to not do drugs but that is asking waaaaaaaaay too much.
We love our drugs. Be sure to thank your local addicts for enabling the strength of the cartels, the drug violence, sex trafficking, petty crime and imploding urban and rural areas.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:22 pm to Geekboy
Troops? How about just drones with bombs and missiles.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
No, this is different. This would be actually be about protecting American lives, property and using the military would not only work, it would be justified. Historical precedent 1910s Pancho Villa.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:40 pm to LemmyLives
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Like the Taliban: goat herders and poppy harvesters. Or this would be different, how?
You didn't read my complete statement.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 3:44 pm to TheBeezer
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No, this is different. This would be actually be about protecting American lives, property and using the military would not only work, it would be justified. Historical precedent 1910s Pancho Villa.
Every time necons like you promote war, you use the same "this time it's different and REAL" excuse.
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