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re: Should Trump send troops into Mexico?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're really bad at this
It's the same philosophy, fricko. Go ahead a lay out your suggestions for dealing with the cartels and dealing with the border disaster. I'll hang up and listen.
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:01 pm to Geekboy
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Should Trump send troops into Mexico?
Trump does not operate that way.
He'll put immense pressure on Mexico until they invite us to come in.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:02 pm to Geekboy
I would be fine with limited assassinations to leaders of groups that have killed innocent American citizens to prove that we can, but full scale invasion no.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We would ultimately lose, too, just like with the WOR in Iraq/Afghanistan
Delta Force could wipe those frickers out in a matter of weeks. Those guys would cream their pants just at the thought of getting that order, so you dont know what you are talking about.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:03 pm to troyt37
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It's the same philosophy, fricko.
Only in your head, scholar.
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Go ahead a lay out your suggestions for dealing with the cartels
I have. Years ago.
We need to invest in raising the SOL of Mexico even further, along with the rest of Central America. Instead of bringing these inefficient, lower-level manufacturing jobs to America, redirect them to Mexico and Central America.
Raising their SOL domestically will create an inflection point where crime isn't economically viable enough for most citizens.
Legalize drugs in America, too, and encourage domestic production and regulation to squeeze out the black markets.
That nerfs the cartels on both ends of their existence (labor and profits).
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:03 pm to Geekboy
Yep, back in the 1980s, America averaged 3000 overdose deaths per year. Now we're in the vicinity of 100,000 per year. Probably in another decade it will approach 500,000. And still nothing will be done. Modern America love, loves, loves its dope, and will gladly sacrifice anything for its flow. Doesn't matter if Commie China is funding Mexican cutthroats feeding off a worthless, degenerate American society. We'll continue to happily take it up the arse. Because that's who we now are. This country no longer has any inclination nor any spine to stop it. It's really just as bad a testament to our cultural stamina as the British handing over their children to Muslim rape rooms. Just another signpost in what a decrepitly weak nation we are.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:04 pm to TheBeezer
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Delta Force could wipe those frickers out in a matter of weeks.
Why didn't Delta win the War on Terror for us?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:06 pm to Geekboy
Eliminate them at border. If tjlhey kill a soldier, invade 100 miles deep and setup buffer. Then conduct OPS from buffer to cleanse cartel.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:07 pm to Aeolian Vocalion
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Yep, back in the 1980s, America averaged 3000 overdose deaths per year. Now we're in the vicinity of 100,000 per year.
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We'll continue to happily take it up the arse. Because that's who we now are.
We were the same then, but now more white people have refused to adapt to society changing and the typical pathology we found in the ghettos in the 80s is around the Rust Belt and rural areas (due to the economic decline their bad decisions created)
Also, our society has shifted its taste in drugs to ones that are more likely to cause OD deaths. The stat that we have more overdose deaths is more an increase in population and shifting in choice of drugs, more than anything else.
American society was much more pathological on average in the 80s than today, mind you.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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lol we may as well just give the cartels everything then.
Who said that?
There is a wide gap between invading one of our closet allies and one our largest trading partners and "giving up" entirely
Again, same as last 3 times this topic was discussed. A full on traditional invasion wouldn't be needed.
Also, a combination of special forces strikes and coordination with the Mexican federal government/military would be the best way. The goal wouldn't be to totally eliminate the cartels, but make a big dent and enable Mexico's military and law enforcement some momentum they could hopefully continue.
It sure beats what we've been doing......
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:08 pm to lake chuck fan
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Also, a combination of special forces strikes and coordination with the Mexican federal government/military would be the best way. The goal wouldn't be to totally eliminate the cartels, but make a big dent and enable Mexico's military and law enforcement some momentum they could hopefully continue.
We've tried that before. Like LITERALLY that plan.
The special forces ended up becoming a cartel. One of the worst cartels in history, mind you (Los Zetas).
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:09 pm to Geekboy
Should Trump send troops into Mexico?
no.
"They are responsible for our immigration and drug problems."
they are definately facilitators of human and drug traffiking and at least equal to the other major terrorist groups but the root cause of our immigration problem is in Washington D.C. Our elected officials give them a reason to come here, free health care, food stamps, cash money for work with a means to send that money back home tax free, subsidized and/or free rent, etc., etc.
If we secure the border, actually prosecute them when they break the law and eliminate the free shite and tax remittances the overwheling majority of them will not come here and many that are already here will leave. No need for troops in Mexico to fix this specific problem...its an easy fix actually if the govt. has the stones to do it..
no.
"They are responsible for our immigration and drug problems."
they are definately facilitators of human and drug traffiking and at least equal to the other major terrorist groups but the root cause of our immigration problem is in Washington D.C. Our elected officials give them a reason to come here, free health care, food stamps, cash money for work with a means to send that money back home tax free, subsidized and/or free rent, etc., etc.
If we secure the border, actually prosecute them when they break the law and eliminate the free shite and tax remittances the overwheling majority of them will not come here and many that are already here will leave. No need for troops in Mexico to fix this specific problem...its an easy fix actually if the govt. has the stones to do it..
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:12 pm to Geekboy
Trump should declare Mexico a failed norco state and cut all financial ties until the cartels are destroyed
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Delta Force could wipe those frickers out in a matter of weeks.
Why didn't Delta win the War on Terror for us?
I'm not pretending Delta could wipe the cartels out, but Mexico isn't Afghanistan either. There's not huge mountainous terrain filled with caves and tunnels and I think the Mexican citizens would be more helpful than those in Afghanistan.
The logistics would be to our advantage also. Not operating thousands of miles away.
There's no doubt we could make a large impact, but at the end of the day.... the Mexican federal government would have to buy in and carve out the biggest elements of corruption between the feds and cartels.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We need to invest in raising the SOL of Mexico even further, along with the rest of Central America.
And just how many trillions of taxpayer dollars are you suggesting we spend in order to raise the standard of living for the entirety of Mexico and Central America?
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Instead of bringing these inefficient, lower-level manufacturing jobs to America, redirect them to Mexico and Central America.
You've made it a point to note that Mexico is one of our largest trading partners, which means that we have been doing exactly this for many years now. US manufacturers from the auto industry, all the way down to rubber dogshit have built plants in Mexico over the last 20 years. But it hasn't improved the standard of living in Mexico to the point that they don't ship millions of criminal illegals to the US, has it?
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Raising their SOL domestically will create an inflection point where crime isn't economically viable enough for most citizens.
Say when.
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Legalize drugs in America, too, and encourage domestic production and regulation to squeeze out the black markets.
That nerfs the cartels on both ends of their existence (labor and profits).
So you think fighting a real war on drugs would only increase the price and therefore profits of the cartels, but putting the government in charge of illicit drugs (or literally anything) will reduce the price?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Defunding or defending?
It was defunding. That is a pretty big typo on my part
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That is a secondary issue, but it would be MUCH more costly in terms of dollars.
The conversation to which you replied is more concerned with American lives, though
This sounds very subjective. How much more costly would it be?? And why??
As far as American lives, it comes down to lives lost to war vs. lives passively lost to drugs, family members affected by their druggie children etc. Again, very subjective imo unless you or someone else here has some concrete stats we can compare. I don't have the answer there.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:16 pm to lake chuck fan
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There's not huge mountainous terrain filled with caves and tunnels
They also have jungle
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The logistics would be to our advantage also. Not operating thousands of miles away.
We installed bases to operate in Iraq and Afghanistan. We would have no such base in Mexico
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:18 pm to Geekboy
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Should Trump send troops into Mexico?by Geekboy
To clean up the cartels.
He'd have to clean them up here first. They are operating all over the US.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:19 pm to Bigdawgb
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It was defunding. That is a pretty big typo on my part
I figured.
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This sounds very subjective. How much more costly would it be?? And why??
Mexico is our #3 trade partner behind only China and Canada (and it's basically even with Canada).
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Again, very subjective imo unless you or someone else here has some concrete stats we can compare
We've been fighting the War on Drugs (including Mexican cartels, Colombian cartels, and drug runners/producers all throughout Central and South America) for 50 years. You tell me how that's going.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:23 pm to troyt37
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And just how many trillions of taxpayer dollars are you suggesting we spend
It wouldn't need to be trillions. Nothing close.
We just need to incentivize production of lower-level manufacturing coming from these countries as opposed to random Asian and African countries. We have done this with Mexico since NAFTA and it's been a huge success. That's why the number of Mexicans crossing the border illegally is so low these days (my plan would solve that issue too, mind you).
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You've made it a point to note that Mexico is one of our largest trading partners, which means that we have been doing exactly this for many years now.
Mexico is a shining success in this area. We can go further, though.
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But it hasn't improved the standard of living in Mexico to the point that they don't ship millions of criminal illegals to the US, has it?
You're wrong. It has SEVERELY decreased the crossings by Mexicans
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So you think fighting a real war on drugs would only increase the price and therefore profits of the cartels,
I never said this.
I said a war with Mexico would severely damage our economy and be fruitless, ultimately (like the WOT)
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but putting the government in charge of illicit drugs
I didn't say this, either.
Private companies would make and sell the drugs.
This would also have a drastic impact on things like fentanyl causing ODs
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