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re: Should we bring back the literacy test?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:51 am to ballscaster
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:51 am to ballscaster
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quote: Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
Which race is unable to learn to read?
Is there a color of people that is naturally illiterate and incapable of learning?
And when was the last time someone was in servitude?
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:53 am to SpidermanTUba
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Take the average tea partier. Well informed - yes. Intelligent - No. Illiterate - Often.
Yeah...no.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:53 am to Antonio Moss
Proper ID to determine citizen is the only thing Local State or federal govt should ever touch when it comes to voting.
Congress has the power to preserve the freedom of voting of US citizens and nothing else from what I can see.
Congress has the power to preserve the freedom of voting of US citizens and nothing else from what I can see.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:54 am to BigJim
Would you care to show me in the Constitution where it does limit those actions?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:54 am to Antonio Moss
quote:You overlooked the word "right."
There is nothing in this Amendment that specifically excludes the use of tests
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:55 am to CherryGarciaMan
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Romney said it.
Did he? I'll have to look it up.
Are you sure you aren't confusing "person" with "juridical personhood" as it concerns limiting government action?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:57 am to Wolfhound45
quote:Politicians would change their legal names to things like Hillary D. Clinton and R. Mitt Romney. Democrats in red states would change their names to Joe R. Biden etc.
Would love to see an initiative that eliminates straight ticket voting and removes the "R" and the "D" from the ballot. Then we will get some degree of political literacy.
I think political illiteracy would get even worse.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:59 am to fr33manator
Civic literacy (i.e., not just ability to read and write, but to have some concept of government)
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Poll Tax (i.e., you have to actually pay income taxes to be able to vote [but, if you do not, you can pay a $100 poll tax to vote]).
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Poll Tax (i.e., you have to actually pay income taxes to be able to vote [but, if you do not, you can pay a $100 poll tax to vote]).
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:00 am to ballscaster
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Politicians would change their legal names...
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:02 am to fr33manator
What a terrible idea. First party to add this as one of their planks disappears.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:03 am to ballscaster
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You overlooked the word "right."
No, I didn't.
There is no U.S. Constitutional right to vote. Voting rights are dependent upon the States. Those State rights may not be infringed upon by virtue of race, color, or previous servitude by virtue of the 15th Amendment. Furthermore, they may not be infringed upon the basis of sex (19th), poll tax in federal elections (24th), or age over 17 (26th).
That's it as it concerns limitations. Nothing prevents a state from conducting a literacy test, requiring an ID, or collecting poll tax (limited to state elections).
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:08 am to Antonio Moss
quote:We both know that isn't true.
Nothing prevents a state from conducting a literacy test
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:11 am to ballscaster
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We both know that isn't true.
You got a mouse in your pocket?
I'm not advocating it and I realize proving non-discrimination in effect would be daunting but that doesn't change the meaning of the law.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:13 am to fr33manator
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Is it that terrible to expect a modicum of intelligence from the people that are electing or officials?
John Milton said basically only ~10% of all humans contribute to society, and it wouldn't matter if the other 90% suddenly vanished. The problem is that people interchange frequently from the 90% to the 10% and versa vicey, ergo the problem is exactly when should you exterminate the 90%.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:13 am to fr33manator
I think we should only allow people with a minimum net worth of $1MM to vote. They actually have a stake in things.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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banning bringing in anything to guide voting in the polls
There was a ton of stuff to vote on this morning, so I did my research and filled out a mock ballot. I brought said mock ballot into the voting booth with me to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Why would you want to ban this?
With all of the things to vote for, I couldn't understand why no one else had a mock ballot or some other type of information with them. Makes me fear they were coming in without any prior research.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:42 am to LeonPhelps
When it comes to voting I think most people show up to the polls to vote on the one or two high profile races and then they discover that there are all these other things to vote on - judges, school board, amendments. People then, typically, vote straight down party lines since there is very little guidance then make a futile attempt to understand any amendments.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:46 am to fr33manator
LBJ's Speech Before Congress on Voting Rights - March 15, 1965
Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
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Our fathers believed that if this noble view of the rights of man was to flourish, it must be rooted in democracy. The most basic right of all was the right to choose your own leaders. The history of this country, in large measure, is the history of the expansion of that right to all of our people.
Many of the issues of civil rights are very complex and most difficult. But about this there can and should be no argument. Every American citizen must have an equal right to vote. There is no reason which can excuse the denial of that right. There is no duty which weighs more heavily on us than the duty we have to ensure that right.
Yet the harsh fact is that in many places in this country men and women are kept from voting simply because they are Negroes.
Every device of which human ingenuity is capable has been used to deny this right. The Negro citizen may go to register only to be told that the day is wrong, or the hour is late, or the official in charge is absent. And if he persists, and if he manages to present himself to the registrar, he may be disqualified because he did not spell out his middle name or because he abbreviated a word on the application.
And if he manages to fill out an application he is given a test. The registrar is the sole judge of whether he passes this test. He may be asked to recite the entire Constitution, or explain the most complex provisions of State law. And even a college degree cannot be used to prove that he can read and write.
For the fact is that the only way to pass these barriers is to show a white skin.
Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:04 am to fr33manator
If you are currently on welfare, or have been in the past 4 years (?) your right to vote is suspended.
Someone said it earlier, conflict of interest.
Someone said it earlier, conflict of interest.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:15 am to Tigah in the ATL
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Tigah in the ATL
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I'm sure the southern white make thinks it's his intelligence that leads him to vote like all his buddies.
I'm not so sure you'd pass the literacy test.
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