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re: Should wrongful arrest settlements come out of the officers pension?
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:47 pm to udtiger
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:47 pm to udtiger
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Fairly well considering the absence of an ambulance chasing plaintiff's bar.
There are several reforms that would end such frivolous lawsuits.
One is “Loser Pays” aka the English Rule.
Notoriously non-litigious Japan curbs the filing of frivolous lawsuits by charging a court-fee based on claims — the more a plaintiff is suing for, the more the plaintiff must pay up front to proceed with the lawsuit.
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Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:49 pm to BigoBoys
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Do they get to sue the dickheads and their families that they deal with?
Wasn’t a street cop, but I know a state agent who countersued a drug smuggler one time and got a sweet waterfront lake lot out of the settlement.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:50 pm to stout
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This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:00 pm to stout
I had a cop block my driveway late at night for something next door. I parked in my yard. It was late at night. They come over and tell me it is illegal to park in a yard and start grilling me on why I was driving so late. Did I just come from a bar?
It was complete insanity.
It was complete insanity.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:06 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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If you don’t have a warrant or any reason to hide your ID, providing identification shouldn't be an issue.
So no problem making someone prove their papers are in order. Welcome to the "land of the free..." And most people are okay with that, "and the home of the brave".
This is why we have a president and governors who see law and constitutions and just a formality to get around, because they know most people don't really have any problem with it.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:09 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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How did police forces exist before the advent of QI?
Good point. QI is just a variation on the protection given the king's men in colonial America.
Q: How did this country exist before the advent of police departments?
A: Just fine for the vast majority of the country for the majority of our history. If someone needed to be arrested it was done by the equivalent of a Sheriff and ordinary people who agreed to help based on what they knew of the supposed crime and evidence, or their experience with, and trust in the Sheriff.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:26 pm to BobABooey
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Suppose a cop gets a call from a parent who thinks you’re acting suspiciously because you’re sitting in your car eating lunch in a park while a group of preschoolers are playing nearby. The cop IDs you. That night, one of the kids goes missing or some major vandalism occurs at the park. Don’t be surprised when detectives show up at your door to ask a few questions to see what you know. You’d be a fool to answer any questions without a lawyer present. Showing your ID when it wasn’t required just cost you a few thousand bucks.
Or better yet, doesn't get the subject's ID and the subject is a convicted sex offender who isn't even supposed to be in that area!
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:43 pm to stout
Do ppl really have no life to go taunt the police into making a mistake? Cops should give them a fine for disorderly and acting like a jackass.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:02 pm to stout
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Should wrongful arrest settlements come out of the officers pension?
not unless its grievous to the point its serial behavior
just make the local state/county depts fully liable as their supervisors and that should be enough to keeps checks and balances in place and working.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:29 pm to stout
did you ever get sleep?
Posted on 1/9/22 at 11:35 pm to stout
You could go that route, just don't bitch in 15 years when you have no cops and the ones that you do have are demanding $200K/year.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 5:53 am to stout
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Should wrongful arrest settlements come out of the officers pension?
I get the sentiment and don't necessarily disagree but with the way "justice" is distributed today, someone would definitely be a patsy.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 6:53 am to stout
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One comment I always see is the settlement shouldn't be taxpayer-funded but should come out of the police pension plans.
That would get ugly fast.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 6:58 am to stout
Should employees who make mistakes that cost company money pay for the mistakes?
If answer is no...then OP has his answer regarding officers who make mistakes
If answer is no...then OP has his answer regarding officers who make mistakes
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:01 am to stout
Law enforcement will continue to deteriorate. It’s what prongs need to pull off their heists. They need yes men on the ground.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:02 am to Toomer Deplorable
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There are several reforms that would end such frivolous lawsuits.
One is “Loser Pays” aka the English Rule.
This would increase costs of "ambulance chasing" b/c the insurance company would have to pay even more (attorney's fees)
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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This would increase costs of "ambulance chasing"
Somehow there are other first world countries where people don’t run around harming people and they don’t have anything approaching our absurd tort system. But mention ANY reform to it and there’s always a reason that the reform can’t work.
bullshite.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:28 am to ApexTiger
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Should employees who make mistakes that cost company money pay for the mistakes?
If answer is no...then OP has his answer regarding officers who make mistakes
Exaclty. If a Walmart cashier makes a mistake, I can sue her for her social security.
Oh...wait a minute, I can't.
These people that push this "tAkE iT fRoM tHeIr pEnSioNs" nonsense just say it because they want it to be punitive against the individual officer, but termination and possibly criminal liability are already the punitive avenues. I'm not aware of any other occupation or civil liability situation where a person's retirement accounts would be put at risk.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:32 am to Flats
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Somehow there are other first world countries where people don’t run around harming people and they don’t have anything approaching our absurd tort system. But mention ANY reform to it and there’s always a reason that the reform can’t work.
I'm just saying that's a common "fix" and people who promote it have no real concept of the legal system.
Liability isn't an issue in almost all auto wreck cases, especially from PI mills. The insurance is going to pay something, but that amount is always the issue (and why these cases go to trial). No matter what, the defendant will be liable so he will be the "loser". How is making insurance pay 33-45% more (for the attorney's fees) going to save the system money?
Posted on 1/10/22 at 7:33 am to Huey Lewis
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but termination and possibly criminal liability are already the punitive avenues
Back the blue, dude
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I'm not aware of any other occupation or civil liability situation where a person's retirement accounts would be put at risk.
Self employment
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