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Posted on 8/3/25 at 12:49 pm to Narax
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So do you want to put actual claims about your medical background?
Ya want me ta unzip, and show yer my "diploma," big boy?
quote:Not a "specialist" per se, but a very interested and informed party for both professional and personal reasons.
Are you claiming to be a specialist in brain development?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 12:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Ya want me ta unzip, and show yer my "diploma," big boy?
Or you could just say what your background is.
It's reasonably important for honesty.
I've given mine a number of times
You seem to want respect for any and all fields you dilettante, but when you get called out from someone who actually specializes in a specific field, you cry "No not true, I reject your expertise!"
Stating ones credentials is important as it prevents broad form lying across a number of topics.
Your whole shtick is trust me I'm implying I'm a doctor.
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Not a "specialist" per se, but a very interested and informed party for both professional and personal reasons.
This means nothing.
You could be a gym teacher.
But seriously do you believe in peak functional IQ?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:00 pm to Narax
quote:I'm a physician.
Or you could just say what your background is.
quote:As have I, BTW.
Or you could just say what your background is.
I've given mine a number of times
quote:
You seem to want respect for any and all fields
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm a physician.
Fantastic, that's interesting. (I mean this seriously, I gave you a thumbs up)
Do you believe in peak functional IQ?
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 1:19 pm to Narax
quote:"Believe in" would not be a term I'd use referencing science. But yes, IQ typically peaks in early adulthood and plateaus there before drifting down slightly in the middle ages. Does that answer your question?
Do you believe in peak functional IQ?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 3:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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"Believe in" would not be a term I'd use referencing science. But yes, IQ typically peaks in early adulthood and plateaus there before drifting down slightly in the middle ages. Does that answer your question?
So you believe (using that word again) that it doesn't "peak" until after the "weening" "Remodeling" to use your words has been going on for quite some time?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 3:23 pm to Narax
quote:Not reliably from a testing standpoint. E.g., In early-mid childhood a subspecialized psychologist can consistently assign a value within 3-5pts of the adult plateau. It requires a different, much more individualized test though. But generally we see a small upward variance from childhood to early adulthood indicative of continued remodeling as well as a similar descent later for similar reasons.
So you believe (using that word again) that it doesn't "peak" until after the "weening" "Remodeling" to use your words has been going on for quite some time?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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In early-mid childhood a subspecialized psychologist can consistently assign a value within 3-5pts of the adult plateau
Are you referring to their age adjusted scores? These wouldn't peak for a whole population.
Are you talking about their raw scores before age and population normalizing?
Again, that score in points is relative to other humans of that age, it wouldn't peak, the risers would offset the falling scores.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 3:56 pm to Narax
quote:No.
Are you referring to their age adjusted scores?
quote:No.
Are you talking about their raw scores before age and population normalizing?
quote:
Again, that score in points is relative to other humans of that age, it wouldn't peak
I have no idea what that comment has to do with IQ score.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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I have no idea what that comment has to do with IQ score.
I'm asking you to define what you mean, you say it's within 3-5 points of their later score, but then you say it peaks.
So what peaks? You don't mean the IQ score so what specifically are you referencing. Fluid Intelligence?
3-5 Points in relation to what? Their IQ score at a later age? (Noting that there are many examples of outliers).
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:10 pm to Narax
quote:Here's the deal. The IQ testing thing ... I'm familiar with it. I graduated MedSchool just shy of my 24th B'day. There were some IQ scores involved. Run that thru your AI and get its feedback. Perhaps that will set a perspective for you.
Are you referring to ...
My firstborn was reading before he was two. Reading as in, he'd go to the book store, sit at the little children's table, and read Dr Seuss books to 3 and 4 years olds. Run that thru your AI and get its feedback. Perhaps that will set a perspective for you
Long story, but that's the cruelty of having a child "on the spectrum."
So, fast forward to 1st grade, and it was evident he had a learning disorder. That's when I got acquainted with pediatric IQ testing. Got it?
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:14 pm to Narax
quote:I'm sorry, but at this stage it's pretty evident when you brought up AI earlier, you were projecting.
I'm asking you to define what you mean, you say it's within 3-5 points of their later score, but then you say it peaks.
quote:Correct
it's within 3-5 points
quote:Correct
then you say it peaks
Do you need a picture to help you understand?
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Here's the deal. The IQ testing thing ... I'm familiar with it. I graduated MedSchool just shy of my 24th B'day. Run that thru your AI and get its feedback. Perhaps that will set a perspective for you.
My firstborn was reading before he was two. Reading as in, he'd got the book store, sit at the little children's table and read Dr Seuss book to 3 and 4 years olds. Run that thru your AI and get its feedback. Perhaps that will set a perspective for you
Long story, but that's the cruelty of having a child "on the spectrum." So, fast forward to 1st grade, and it was evident he had a learning disorder. That's when I got acquainted with pediatric IQ testing. Got it?
You and I look at it completely differently.
In spite of your frustration I did see that you had insight that you refused to disclose as worth inquiring about.
You might be sick ad nauseam about talking about the details, I am sorry for poking you on it, it was evident that you knew more about it than most of your responses of "Well that's just the way it is".
I do now respect your not wanting to discuss it.
Apologies again for opening that.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:44 pm to Narax
quote:That's the origin of your NPC comment, eh?
In spite of your frustration I did see that you had insight
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 4:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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That's the origin of your NPC comment, eh?
Yup, your response was basically Here are some random things that don't match any specific things, it also flies against the current nomenclature in published literature I've read.
You either know something, or nothing.
I thought it was worth a poke.
Again, apologies for poking.
This post was edited on 8/3/25 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 8/3/25 at 5:01 pm to Narax
quote:Ok
Again, apologies for poking.
I'll take the AI comment as flattering (must admit I did laugh) and move on.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 5:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'll take the AI comment as flattering (must admit I did laugh) and move on.
Thank you kindly
Posted on 8/3/25 at 5:15 pm to anc
IQ test are some of the least biased test given. The problem is not IMO low IQ but rather the lack of critical thinking that has become absent in our modern education system. The worst thing for low CT is the smartphone/internet that plays on the ability to make people think they know or are wise to some fact that no one else has and this all happens without a shred of logic or CT testing. Propaganda is the most successful when it appears to be correct and yet leads people to false ideas.
The only remedy I can think of is reading. We should also teach logic in HS and undergraduate education.
The only remedy I can think of is reading. We should also teach logic in HS and undergraduate education.
Posted on 8/3/25 at 5:28 pm to hansenthered1
quote:Who would teach it?
We should also teach logic in HS
Honest question.
I went to a great HS. I'm not sure at that stage my teachers who were phenomenal would have been in a position to teach me logic.
In college, where Profs own the stage, as well as their students vis-a-vis grades, how might topics get engaged from a logic perspective?
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