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Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:34 pm to
No ma'am.

Let's take SK for example...

1- Now they are allowing 2 times the amount of cars admitted into their nation from the US.

2- They also reduced by 1/3rd the amount of steal they dumped into our markets.


3- It forced China to work with Trump on NK

4- and they are indeed at the table talking trade.



Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:44 pm to
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4- and they are indeed at the table talking trade.




Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55505 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:45 pm to
Continuing....


1- Korea Solar will open a plant here to avoid tariffs

quote:

Hanwha Q Cells Korea Corporation — a Korea-based manufacturer of photovoltaic materials — will be opening a facility in Georgia, slated to be up and running by 2019, the company announced Thursday. The move will allow the company to produce and sell panels to U.S. customers without having to deal with import penalties.



Several foreign solar cell and module makers said they’re exploring options to avoid potential trade restrictions by opening new solar manufacturing facilities in the U.S.


JinkoSolar in Jacksonville.

Adani Solar is in the process....

etc etc






Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55505 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:45 pm to
You can laugh all you want. It's happening.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140056 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:52 pm to
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Tariffs are taxes on American consumers



They are. I don’t like taxes when they grow the federal government.

quote:

Why aren’t the anti tax people getting excited about this?


Because the other side (trading partners) are taxing us more and sometimes taxes have to be used to bring reciprocal taxes down.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:58 pm to
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You can laugh all you want. It's happening.


individual facilities open and close all the time

you think this is convincing evidence of a turnaround of some major decades-long trend?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:59 pm to
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the other side (trading partners) are taxing us more

you mean taxing their people more
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140056 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:02 pm to
quote:

you mean taxing their people more


Yes in the short run, if it means lower taxes in the long run.

You don’t sit at the negotiating table half cocked.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:04 pm to
I see the left is taking a break from their kiddy porn to pretend they know something about economics.



Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
31111 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:04 pm to
quote:

You don’t sit at the negotiating table half cocked.

Damn right. Gotta give'em the full cock and then let them beg for you to back it out a little.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:08 pm to
quote:

You don’t sit at the negotiating table half cocked.


i know

you need multiparty action
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140056 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

Damn right. Gotta give'em the full cock and then let them beg for you to back it out a little.



Mark Levin was slightly critical of Trump about his diplomacy with NK the last few days. He said when dealing with foreign nations EVERYTHING must be on the negotiating table.

But for Mark when it comes to trade negotiations the aces are pulled.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35814 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:10 pm to
quote:

en if that was their intent you'd be stupid to think they could come anywhere close to achieving such a goal Save the drama for your boyfriend


North Carolina and the furniture industry called, they’d like a word.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140056 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:11 pm to
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you need multiparty action


That is fine as long as you don’t abdicate national sovereignty to some far away commission.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17794 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:13 pm to
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if a tariff results in a buyer shifting to their not-first choice, it makes them worse off. just like it is for any tax that isn't even-handed


If they can shift to another choice, it's not inelastic. If they can shift to a choice that isn't subject to tariff, taxes won't increase due to increased tariffs. Therefore it's elastic.

Stop.

quote:

saying that you must assume inelasticity for a tariff to be a tax is nonsensical, full stop


Tariffs are only taxes on American consumers if the Americans choose to buy the goods. Therefore, stating that tariffs are automatically taxes are American consumers implies that Americans have no choice but to pay the tariffs, meaning that Americans have no choice on the goods subject to tariffs, making them inelastic.

Full stop.

Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:14 pm to
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If they can shift to another choice, it's not inelastic

yes, and the availability of this response has literally zero bearing on whether the reason they're shifting is due to a tax

that's why what you've been saying is so weird
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55505 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:15 pm to
quote:

individual facilities open and close all the time


Hardly the point.


quote:

ou think this is convincing evidence of a turnaround of some major decades-long trend?


I think its a major first step!

Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:16 pm to
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Dude.... I AM ON YOUR SIDE ON THIS ISSUE

We end up paying the tax in form of higher prices

but we are NOT the ones writing the check to irs


The more that comes out of my pocket...the less I have.

When the federal government is the cause of it...then it is a tax.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:16 pm to
quote:

Tariffs are only taxes on American consumers if the Americans choose to buy the goods

in louisiana i can buy certain food that is subject to sales tax and certain food that is not

if the tax on some food causes me to buy the food that isn't taxed, does that mean that the taxed food is untaxed? of course not
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55505 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:17 pm to
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you need multiparty action


No you don't.


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