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Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:19 pm to asurob1
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he more that comes out of my pocket...the less I have. When the federal government is the cause of it...then it is a tax.
You have choices.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:20 pm to Jjdoc
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You have choices.
that doesn't mean it's not a tax, which it is
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:21 pm to 90proofprofessional
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it is very much the point if you want to present your evidence as meaningful
No it's not. You are trying to compare apples to oranges and you know it.
A specific tariff is cause several companies to OPEN here.
Deal with the subject. You response had NOTHING to do with that.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:24 pm to 90proofprofessional
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that doesn't mean it's not a tax, which it is
Teall George who finally got a Job paying him $20 an hour rather than $10 that his TV will that lasts 5 years will go up $100!
See if he gives a shite about that $25 per year lost!
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:32 pm to Jjdoc
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No it's not. You are trying to compare apples to oranges and you know it.
projection
comparing recent opening announcements to what is typical is in fact apples to apples
pretending that all investment decisions are 100% due to trump protectionism is the apples-oranges approach
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:36 pm to 90proofprofessional
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projection
Stop avoiding the topic.
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comparing recent opening announcements to what is typical is in fact apples to apples
No.... no. Plants opening due to the tariffs. Huge difference and you know it. When a company states that is the reason, it's not your option to say "No... plants open all the time"
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:40 pm to 90proofprofessional
Why is it soooo hard for people to comprehend...for decades our leaders have been willingly, or unwillingly, duped into unfair trade practices with other countries.
Why would any country continue to act against its own best interests? How can any country that continues to do so survive?
Level the playing field. End all tariffs, end all trade barriers, as the President has stated. Elsewise, beat them at their own game.
Why would any country continue to act against its own best interests? How can any country that continues to do so survive?
Level the playing field. End all tariffs, end all trade barriers, as the President has stated. Elsewise, beat them at their own game.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:41 pm to Perfect Circle
Agreed
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:43 pm to Jjdoc
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Plants opening due to the tariffs.
you haven't even attempted to prove the degree to which they're the reason
and the typical amount of opening in other years is a great indicator of that
sorry that fact makes you sad
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:45 pm to Perfect Circle
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Why would any country continue to act against its own best interests?
i know, pulling out of TPP and TTIP was retarded but what can we do
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:46 pm to 90proofprofessional
This has turned into more semantics than substance.
I'm out for the night. Have a good one.
I'm out for the night. Have a good one.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:50 pm to starsandstripes
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ACA = tax
Y no dem mad?
Trick question majority of dems don't pay taxes, they wait on your taxes in the form of a monthly check.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:55 pm to 90proofprofessional
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you haven't even attempted to prove the degree to which they're the reason
I gave you these the first time you started in on the Tariffs. You know it and I know it. Why are you side stepping it? I gave you the quote from the company.
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Hanwha Q Cells Korea Corporation — a Korea-based manufacturer of photovoltaic materials — will be opening a facility in Georgia, slated to be up and running by 2019, the company announced Thursday. The move will allow the company to produce and sell panels to U.S. customers without having to deal with import penalties.
LINK
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Hanwha Group's efforts to find substitutes for the U.S. solar energy market are apparently not effective enough to offset the Donald Trump administration's imposition of safeguard tariffs on imported solar panels.
Is it because you need it to not be true? Being serious.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:20 am to 90proofprofessional
How was TPP in the best interest of the American worker? I know you didn't bring up the previous administration, but wasn't TPP pretty much dead before Trump took office? And what do we really know about TTIP? Has its contents ever been detailed?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 2:56 am to TBoy
So if another's country's tariff is a subsidy for American consumers and our tariff is a tax for American consumers doesn't that net to American consumers paying a market price if the tariff is priced correctly?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 4:20 am to 90proofprofessional
quote:No, you don't know..
i know, pulling out of TPP and TTIP was retarded
But let's help you out.
The TPP's investor-state dispute settlement provisions would have been a boon to our TPP partners. TPP players could sue the US if they felt US actions violated rights and privileges granted by TPP. For example, discovery of a previously unrecognized hazard in a child's toy or food item might lead Congress to pass new regulatory legislation for consumer safety. Domestic American firms would have to abide by the new standards. Non-US TPP players would not. If the US forced the issue, those non-US polluters/bad-actors could sue for billions, while our own companies would have no such recourse. Via this provision otherwise known as Pay-the-Polluter, TPP was to be permitted to undermine Congress and the POTUS. You think it was "retarded" to pull out of that agreement?
So how would these ISDS Pay-the-Polluter suits be handled? First off, only investors, not countries, could initiate suits. Second, under TPP, arbitration judges were not actually judges at all. They were attorneys who would rotate between client representation and arbitration, case-to-case. There were to be three per case. One chosen by the plaintiff. One chosen by the defendant. One chosen jointly. De facto, most disputes would end up decided by one arbitrator. Such scenarios have a history of extremely expansive and/or highly questionable results. Considering the billions of tax dollars involved as awards to corporations/investors at taxpayer expense based on a single lawyer's "opinion", the potential for corruption is enormous --- virtually insurmountable in fact. You think it was "retarded" to pull out of that?
China was not a member of the 12 nation TPP. Yet nearly half our trade deficit is with China. Barack"EconomicDolt" Obama claimed the TPP would strengthen US negotiating power with China. But the devil is in the details, and one of those details is TPP's "rules of origin" allowing for massive amounts of transshippment. Translation . . . a bulldozer exported to the US from Canada, yet constructed from dumped Chinese steel would be a-okay IAW TPP. Great stuff, eh? Yet you think it was "retarded" to pull out of that?
Other issues such as circumventing Congress with locked in evergreening of Pharmaceutical Patents would injure US consumers disproportionately. Meanwhile, with NAFTA as an example, US workers would be hurt. You think it was "retarded" to pull out of those things as well?
Maybe you knew less than you thought.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 5:09 am to NC_Tigah
NC you are correct on TPP. Its one of the things that pissed Trump off with Canada. The trans shipment of Chinese goods using NAFTA as a backdoor. So what does Trudeau do, he signs on to TPP so he can just have Chinese steel ship through Vietnam to Canada and on to the US.
These multi country trade deals suck when you are the biggest fish in the pond. Hell we used the Marshall act to frick ourselves to help Europe get back on its feet and the bitches form the EU to beat our arse in trade....but they are our friends.
TPP, why on earth would I give the same deal to Japan that I give to Brunei who has, seriously, a GDP less than Montgomery Alabama????? You think Wal Mart or Amazon pays the same for a TV as Joes repair shop.
Hell Trump is not even asking for the best deal, which we should since we are the biggest, he just wants a fair deal, and the whole world screams trade wars, protectionism. Why dont they just do away with tariffs like he suggested......hmmmmmm......cause he is right.
And our media hates Trump so much they jump on the bandwagon, friking any future their kids and grandkids may have, just to muck up what Trump is trying to do.
These multi country trade deals suck when you are the biggest fish in the pond. Hell we used the Marshall act to frick ourselves to help Europe get back on its feet and the bitches form the EU to beat our arse in trade....but they are our friends.
TPP, why on earth would I give the same deal to Japan that I give to Brunei who has, seriously, a GDP less than Montgomery Alabama????? You think Wal Mart or Amazon pays the same for a TV as Joes repair shop.
Hell Trump is not even asking for the best deal, which we should since we are the biggest, he just wants a fair deal, and the whole world screams trade wars, protectionism. Why dont they just do away with tariffs like he suggested......hmmmmmm......cause he is right.
And our media hates Trump so much they jump on the bandwagon, friking any future their kids and grandkids may have, just to muck up what Trump is trying to do.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 5:15 am to TBoy
What would you call it if none of the countries of the world applied tariffs to imports or subsidized their exports?...
Posted on 6/17/18 at 7:41 am to TBoy
Tariffs are like borders. The left applauds them when other countries enforce them!
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