- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
0
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:45 pm to dafif
(no message)
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:46 pm to billjamin
quote:
Government bail outs, tax breaks for car manufacturers, oil and gas E&P, transportation, generations, etc. The EV credits are just easy to see. Everything is subsidized. Which is fricked up, but its the truth.
This, I worked in the Oil and Gas industry. New drill sites were subsidized. The EV credits are not hidden in financial reports by some slick accountants.
I don't understand the EV hate. You don't have to convert all your cars to EVs. We are buying a place that will make my commute 40mi each way. I currently drive an SUV, but I will be buying a Tesla once we make the move. We will keep the SUV for long drives and when we need space. The Tesla will pay for itself in the gas I will save, and I can charge at home and work, saving me time at the pump.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:59 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
Pretty fricking simple. I don't want to pay for your shite. You aren't paying for mine.
Yeah, I am. Everybody is. I'm with you on ending subsidies, but EVs aren't special in that regard. If you're a middle class consumer something you use is subsidized.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:12 pm to bungalow233b
quote:
I don't understand the EV hate. You don't have to convert all your cars to EVs. We are buying a place that will make my commute 40mi each way. I currently drive an SUV, but I will be buying a Tesla once we make the move. We will keep the SUV for long drives and when we need space. The Tesla will pay for itself in the gas I will save, and I can charge at home and work, saving me time at the pump
I don't have to convert any of my cars to EVs this is america.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:14 pm to Flats
quote:
Yeah, I am. Everybody is. I'm with you on ending subsidies, but EVs aren't special in that regard. If you're a middle class consumer something you use is subsidized.
I didn't get a $7,500 tax credit when I bought my Ford. Ford also didn't get to sell $550 million in carbon credits to other auto manufacturers last year. They probably had to buy some from Tesla.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:17 pm to dafif
Will need lots of Buc-ee’s tourist trap charging stations out in the desert west and West Texas to make this work. Will need to legalize gambling so electric motorists have something to do while charging.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:17 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
The basis of your argument is that cars were somehow functionally inferior and more expensive than horses. Thats not true here. Electric vehicles have some specific advantages. A simpler driver train. More torque. Which are offset by the disadvantages of driving a battery powered vehicle. They’re not clearly superior, and in most cases are inferior to ICE vehicles.
I was quoting people, not making an argument you moron.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:22 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
I didn't get a $7,500 tax credit when I bought my Ford. Ford also didn't get to sell $550 million in carbon credits to other auto manufacturers last year. They probably had to buy some from Tesla.
First link that popped up, there are plenty of others.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/john-gallagher/2019/03/08/gm-ford-tax-breaks/3090303002/
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:23 pm to burke985
quote:
I don't have to convert any of my cars to EVs this is america.
Wow, you are such a patriot and hero. Sorry, I didn't explicitly say it, but you can do whatever the f you want.
My point was that if you take long road trips often, don't get an EV. For most people, like me, that have the same drive everyday, it makes sense. You don't have to go to one extreme or the other.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:25 pm to Flats
quote:
First link that popped up, there are plenty of others.
Tax deductions aren't necessarily direct subsidies to consumers who purchase certain goods. People call deductions "subsidies" all the time incorrectly. They're also not subsidies based on mythical economic goods like "carbon credits"...
Seems like the article bitched about GM a bit, talked about Amazon and completely forgot to write about the headline. Typical liberal article.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:00 pm to burke985
quote:
The Govt is threatening the car racing industry right now which is a multi-billion dollar industry and employs tons of Americans in the name of green energy.
Just because it's green energy doesn't mean they sprouts out of the ground. Tesla has built factories in Nevada, Texas and California. Employing tens of thousands of people, not counting the contractors and suppliers that support them.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:01 pm to dafif
quote:
people just sitting in their cars.
Did you ask where that electricity was coming from?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:07 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
Tax deductions aren't necessarily direct subsidies to consumers
No, they're just direct subsidies to the companies that sell to consumers.
I don't like any of it, but you sound like you're blaming people who buy Teslas. They didn't put the subsidies in place any more than you did. It's like someone who lives in an apartment bitching about your mortgage interest deduction; it's there for them too.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 5:14 pm to HeadSlash
quote:
Did you ask where that electricity was coming from?
Besides the fact that the electricity is being generated largely from fossil fuel, another large issue with EVs is that in its current state the power grid will not handle a increase in demand of from any significant increase in charging stations, and utility companies are in now big hurry to change that. In Europe many charging stations are powered from on site diesel generators because it is cheaper than installing the required electrical service capacity.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 5:22 pm to bungalow233b
quote:
The Tesla will pay for itself in the gas I will save, and I can charge at home and work, saving me time at the pump.
Not even close using Tesla’s own numbers.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 5:35 pm to bungalow233b
quote:
The Tesla will pay for itself in the gas I will save, and I can charge at home and work, saving me time at the pump.
The price of electricity currently does not include road use taxes, which in some states is a large portion of the price. The vast majority of the electricity used in this country have nothing to do with road use.
The Fed and the states want the use tax. They either charge you buy the mile which means tracking devise (which I have always believe was the reason EVs were pushed in the 1st place) or you pay the tax at the charging station. It also can be metered from the car thru the home electrical system and added to the home electricity bill.
But the Dems will try to not collect this toll on EVs for a while to make ICs more expensive relative to EVs. Then raise the gas tax more to really make their point.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:14 pm to EA6B
quote:
Not even close using Tesla’s own numbers.
I shouldn't have said "pay for itself", but I spend almost $300 a month on just commuting gas now. I can charge at work for $2 a day. It won't "pay for itself" but it is way more than close. This is money I am no longer literally burning away. Not to mention that EV maintenance for the life of the vehicle is half that of an ICE.
I don't know if you have an engineering background, but an electric motor is far more efficient than any combustion engin. Larger motors and engines are more efficient than smaller one (all else being equal). Electricity produced from a power plant (gas or nuclear) and transmitted to a battery exceeds energy produced by a small combustion engine. Argue the politics or environmental all you want, I am not doing this or care about either, an EV is just better. At least now, you couldn't say that 5 years ago. Also when I say EV I am not talking about hybrids, those things are horrible and a maintenance nightmare.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:49 pm to dafif
I will resist electric cars for as long as possible.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:08 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:
Buy your Tesla. Enjoy it. Just don't ask me to pay for it. You didn't chip in to help me buy your truck with a $7,500 rebate.
Unless it’s a GM.
As I said though, for the 800th time, no subsidies for any product... ever.
Page 10 of 20
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News