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re: Teslas charging at a gas station...
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:48 am to shel311
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:48 am to shel311
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Teslas don't hold value!
You can easily figure out why their used cars hold their value. I've been through this several times with you specifically. It's more of an indictment on the buyers than anything and has 0 economic impact on the business.
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Teslas aren't safe!
They are overtly advertising their cars are self-driving. Do you really want to go there?
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Tesla loses money on every single car they sell!!!
They are a financial engineering company that has a few car factories in it's current state. Again, they aren't going anywhere so why do you care about random people who you don't know that have opinions counter to yours?
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:51 am to wutangfinancial
quote:So they hold value, got it.
You can easily figure out why their used cars hold their value. I've been through this several times with you specifically. It's more of an indictment on the buyers than anything and has 0 economic impact on the business.
quote:Wanna talk about government safety ratings, or nah?
They are overtly advertising their cars are self-driving. Do you really want to go there?
quote:Do they lose money on "every single car they sell" yes or no?
They are a financial engineering company that has a few car factories in it's current state.
quote:I could ask you the same exact questions. YOu're in here replying to every post i make to you just like I'm replying to every post you make to me. So I'll ask you, why do you care so much that my random opinion runs counter to yours? You're guilty of the same shite you're calling me out on.
Again, they aren't going anywhere so why do you care about random people who you don't know that have opinions counter to yours?
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:54 am to wutangfinancial
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They are a financial engineering company that has a few car factories
I think of them as more of a distributed energy and technology company. But agreed, they aren't really a car company.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:58 am to shel311
My opinions on Tesla have completely shifted over time and you are referring to generalized comments literally from years ago and you've been doing this for years at this point. Yes, it's freaking annoying so that's why I'm responding.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:00 am to wutangfinancial
quote:In fairness, see the first response you made in this thread.
My opinions on Tesla have completely shifted over time and you are referring to generalized comments literally from years ago and you've been doing this for years at this point. Yes, it's freaking annoying so that's why I'm responding.
You know darn well you're not looking for good discussion, you come into a Tesla thread and take a pot shot, so I fire one back your way. That's really it.
When you make a legit post, I give a legit reply, but you can't honestly take offense to my reply to your 1st post when your first post was clearly just a troll post. I mean, c'mon you gotta expect someone is going to come back at you.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:16 am to BiteMe2020
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Do you think that it's practical for "everyone" to own an EV?
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Again, if an EV fits your lifestyle, you should be free to drive one. But don't shove that shite on my and ask me to subsidize your green, tree-hugging wet dream.
SMH. Nobody is forcing this on you. Of course it isn't practical for everyone. Is a full size truck practical for living in the heart of NYC or DC? Nope. Dealing in absolutes and saying it is not practical for everyone is a poor argument in itself. Do you really think that car companies are pouring billions into EV because it is not practical for a lot of people? Your argument it is that it isn't practical for you and people buying into this are forcing your to change your lifestyle, which they are not.
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But if you convert 50% of cars in your town to EVs, then why are you assuming only 2 charging stations remain?
Do I need to explain supply and demand? If there is demand then we have good ol' capitalism to come in and provide more chargers. I am currently trying in discussion with the owner of the company I work for to add chargers to every suitable location. Guess what...Tesla will pay for them as long as we pay the electric bill!
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You or others said that charging from home is "practical" - that also is a bald faced LIE.
How is plugging in at home not practical? I haven't seen you explain your position. Not everyone lives in an apartment. If they do they probably are not purchasing a Tesla. Just like crown royal drinkers probably do not have a $500 bottle of bourbon on their shelf
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You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.
Please do not fall back on this type of retort. While we disagree I know you are better than this.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:25 am to shel311
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shel311
Okay you got me there I was obviously trolling
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When you make a legit post, I give a legit reply
In fairness as of late you have. In fact, my opinions on the cars from a consumer perspective are the exact opposite now since when I used to trade it. All because you challenged obvious perma-bear narratives based on andecdotes from Twitter. That's not a good way to trade
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:30 am to wutangfinancial
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In fairness as of late you have. In fact, my opinions on the cars from a consumer perspective are the exact opposite now since when I used to trade it. All because you challenged obvious perma-bear narratives based on andecdotes from Twitter. That's not a good way to trade
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you are separating trading Tesla stock and the product itself
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:40 am to jmarto1
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Do city people have access to gas at night?
Your argument is that recharge times are largely irrelevant, because you can plug in at night.
If that isn’t true, which it isn’t for tens of millions of Americans. Then you really do have an issue.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:45 am to jmarto1
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Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you are separating trading Tesla stock and the product itself
The economics of the company are irrelevant to things like my perceived car quality. It is undeniable that Tesla owners absolutely adore their cars. They are upper and upper-middle class which means they can buy multiple models. Mostly live in warm areas so the cars function how they are supposed to. And as Shell mentioned for whatever reason people pay more for used models because of the variation in model specs and perceived future capabilities. All of this is irrelevant to the valuation of the company and the supply and demand for common equity shares. When I was younger it was difficult to seperate the two realities.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:45 am to wutangfinancial
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Okay you got me there I was obviously trolling
quote:Did we just become best friends?
In fairness as of late you have. In fact, my opinions on the cars from a consumer perspective are the exact opposite now since when I used to trade it.
Ok maybe not, but maybe truce level territory...for now lol.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:48 am to shel311
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:54 am to EA6B
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why is the time to charge a Tesla always quoted for 80%charged
Because it is the fastest charge up to 80% and then slows down the charge to protect the battery from 80-100%.
No one traveling on a long trip only fills up 80% of their fuel. It's quite dumb but it's making data work for your argument.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:58 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:This, and it's also important to note that you don't need to charge to 100% to get to the next super charger if you're on a road trip. THe car will actually tell you when to stop charging, not at a certain specific amount, but when you have enough to get you to the next charging station along your trip.
Because it is the fastest charge up to 80% and then slows down the charge to protect the battery from 80-100%.
But just daily driving, it is recommended to not charge to 100% every day. It's not good for the battery, though even Elon says the actual amount of damage is likely pretty minimal.
I charge to 80% daily just because, I work from home at this point, so it's basically my wife's car now lol. But we don't put more than 10-15 miles on it at the most on average days. So we just plug it in when we get home, at midnight it starts charging, and in probably 30 minutes I get a notification on my phone telling me it's done, back up to 80%.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:01 pm to wutangfinancial
Fair enough. The valuation seems to be more on future potential imo
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:05 pm to shel311
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This, and it's also important to note that you don't need to charge to 100% to get to the next super charger if you're on a road trip. THe car will actually tell you when to stop charging, not at a certain specific amount, but when you have enough to get you to the next charging station along your trip.
I wasn't going there on this one as I thought it would just confuse
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:23 pm to jmarto1
I'd argue it's more about who the shareholders are and the other unrelated parties that profit from their trading volumes. An example would be Citadel, Maverick, primary dealer underwriters, passive funds etc... When you derive the assumptions from a reverse DCF you can see the absurdity of it. I mean it's possible in this environment at this point because they have the institution backing internationally but it wasn't possible without the rent seeking that they were able to survive to this point. The inclusion into the S&P has sealed their fate of surviving because now it's success it tied to the boomers' retirement.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:21 pm to DMAN1968
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I guess gas stations never had long lines.... oh wait..
Can’t wait for all those Tesla leaving Miami when the hurricane comes a knockin
I 95 going to be loaded with the cars all sitting on the side of the road.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:32 pm to shel311
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I'm glad you can go to the gas station and spend 10 minutes tanking up your car for $80 once a week.
Dude just get out of my thread. Your an idiot.
Why not read the op and go from there. These people are sitting at the gas station. Not at home charging. They were there when I got there, filled up and left. There they sat.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:58 pm to dafif
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These people are sitting at the gas station. Not at home charging. They were there when I got there, filled up and left. There they sat.
Some of those people might be early adaptors who have free charging at Tesla Superchargers. I would gladly sit for 20 minutes to get charged for free.
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