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re: The definitive video showing Good's vehicle striking the agent
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:23 pm to LCA131
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:23 pm to LCA131
quote:Well, it was a stupid stunt to pull. The two officers that approached her car, escalated the situation. Without that, there is no situation.
TX Tiger
Just so we know... To establish a baseline, if you will.
Do you believe she was ANY to blame at all?
How much blame is assigned to the ICE agent that she struck with her car?
And of course the shooter. He has no business working in LE.
Don't know if that answered your question.
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Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:23 pm to TX Tiger
She was on the scene to cause trouble and disrupt law enforcement officers doing their duty. Things went bad for her. How could anyone possibly care?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:24 pm to TX Tiger
quote:You got that right, Einstein.
Wrong. Nobody gets killed for just sitting in their car.
You're imparting wisdom that would have saved her life.
It's a shame for her kids that she chose to love up on a woman who screamed, "DRIVE BABY, DRIVE!" instead of you, with your reminder .... "Nobody gets killed for just sitting in their car."
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:25 pm to narddogg81
quote:
what law, feel free to cite it
Federal Regulations on Force and Escalation
Minimum Force Required: Under 8 CFR § 287.8, immigration officers are legally required to use the "minimum non-deadly force necessary".
Conditional Escalation: Agents are only permitted to escalate to higher levels of force when it is "objectively reasonable" based on the actions or apparent intentions of the suspect.
De-escalation Mandate: Current ICE Use of Force policies (updated as of 2023 and continuing through 2026) instruct officers to prioritize de-escalation techniques and only use force when no "safe and feasible alternative" is available.
Agents must follow federal regulations requiring force to be "objectively reasonable" under the Fourth Amendment.
The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects individuals against unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, generally requiring a warrant based on probable cause
. It ensures security in persons, houses, papers, and effects, applying to government actions, not private parties. Warrants must describe the place and items to be searched/seized
Key Legal and Policy Constraints on ICE Escalation
Minimum Necessary Force: DHS policy stipulates that agents must use the minimum, non-deadly force needed to accomplish their mission, escalating only when warranted.
Objectively Reasonable Standard: The Supreme Court mandates that all law enforcement force—deadly or not—must meet an "objective reasonableness" standard, meaning actions must be justified by the situation.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:26 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
She wasn't given a chance to comply.
Now you are contradicting yourself:
quote:
couple of seconds later
She had enough time to choose between obey or escalate.
She chose escalation.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:26 pm to TX Tiger
quote:Oh FO, liar.
She wasn't given a chance to comply
"Drive Baby, DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!!" related to what?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:30 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Don't know if that answered your question.
Well it was not a question but two questions.
And for the record, you answered neither one of them.
But glancing across this thread that seems to be typical of your responses. Vague, clueless...
She should not have been parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic. She was purposely blocking the road with her vehicle. You said partially blocking. Who is she to block traffic and wave people around? She was approached by the ICE people. And told to get out of her car. She refused and drove off, striking the ice officer.
SHE chose poorly about 3 or 4 times that day. I hate that she did that. Probably was not even on a Provocateur payroll.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:31 pm to djsdawg
quote:How long after they gave those instructions did they grab her door handle to yank her out? I mean how long does a person have to respond after given an order. In this case it was a few seconds.
hey tried to detain only AFTER she chose to escalate the situation by refusing to leave.
In other words, she hadn't had the opportunity to comply.
And BTW, the two officers gave conflicting orders. One said drive away, the other said get out of the car.
We've already been through this.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:33 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
How long after they gave those instructions did they grab her door handle to yank her out?
The video proves they gave her a reasonable amount of time to make a decision. She made the wrong decision every single step of the way
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:35 pm to djsdawg
quote:A couple of seconds? Really?
She had enough time to choose between obey or escalate.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:38 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
couple of seconds? Really?
How many seconds? Be exact.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:39 pm to LCA131
quote:Agreed.
She should not have been parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic.
quote:Wrong. Cars were passing her by.
She was purposely blocking the road with her vehicle.
quote:A legal US citizen.
Who is she to block traffic and wave people around?
quote:There's the disconnect. It was seconds after giving orders that one officer grabbed her door to yank her out. And BTW, the other officer was telling her to drive away. Conflicting orders and given a few seconds to respond before grabbing the door to yank her out.
She was approached by the ICE people. And told to get out of her car. She refused and drove off, striking the ice officer.
Do you consider that attempting to de-escalate the situation?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:40 pm to djsdawg
quote:How long would you say that was?
The video proves they gave her a reasonable amount of time to make a decision.
quote:It's physically impossible to get out of the vehicle and drive away.
She made the wrong decision
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:40 pm to djsdawg
quote:You tell me.
couple of seconds? Really?
How many seconds? Be exact.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:42 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
couple of seconds? Really?
She had a shite pot full of time before she went out there to frick with lawful actions.
If I had to lay whatever wealth I've accumulated in my decades of life, I would guess she got fired up and goaded to go out there and do something. Probably did not feel that strongly about any of it. Got involved with it, thought it was all fun and games to a certain extent. To get in the middle of things, finally realized she had overplayed her weak hand and panicked. Like I said, she made poor decisions all day. I hate that she died, but sometimes you've got to realize the downside is not worth it.
I would imagine that her parents feel like she made poor decisions, her female partner feels like she made poor decisions. Years from now. Her children will feel like she made poor decisions. But you stay in here and keep defending her.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:43 pm to TX Tiger
quote:Just watched the video again. It was 3 seconds.
How many seconds? Be exact.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:45 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
You tell me.
Even IF it was just 2, as you claim, that’s more than enough time to follow a simple command.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:46 pm to LCA131
quote:Irrelevant.
couple of seconds? Really?
She had a shite pot full of time before she went out there to frick with lawful actions.
quote:Completely agree with everything you said.
If I had to lay whatever wealth I've accumulated in my decades of life, I would guess she got fired up and goaded to go out there and do something. Probably did not feel that strongly about any of it. Got involved with it, thought it was all fun and games to a certain extent. To get in the middle of things, finally realized she had overplayed her weak hand and panicked. Like I said, she made poor decisions all day. I hate that she died, but sometimes you've got to realize the downside is not worth it.
I would imagine that her parents feel like she made poor decisions, her female partner feels like she made poor decisions. Years from now. Her children will feel like she made poor decisions.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:46 pm to djsdawg
quote:You aren't a serious person.
Even IF it was just 2, as you claim, that’s more than enough time to follow a simple command.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 5:48 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
physically impossible to get out of the vehicle and drive away.
The video proves they didn’t ask her to do both are the same time.
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