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re: The House takes up the Republican replacement bill for OCare| Video | C-SPAN *LIVE STREAM*
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:33 am to Haughton99
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:33 am to Haughton99
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If young healthier people dont buy insurance it causes the rates for the rest of us to rise.
Younger healthier people will have insurance because the price for them will be cheaper. My health shouldn't impact the price of your healthcare.
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:33 am to cajunangelle
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I just had surgery
Prepare to lose your ability to purchase insurance, all because of your ignorance.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:34 am to redfishfan
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You can't be that stupid?
You clearly have no idea what we're discussing.
Let me know when you do.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:34 am to cajunangelle
In seriousness though, glad your surgery went ok and hope you feel better.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:34 am to BamaAtl
Obama caused him to have surgery
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:36 am to redfishfan
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No. They'll have a higher chance of having to pay for their care though. I'm tired of footing the bill for everybody else. My kids deserve the fruits of my labor not strangers.
And if they can't pay and die because of it you couldn't give a shite.
Guess what. If you are a reasonably healthy person and pay for insurance your premiums are being used to foot the bill for someone else with insurance who isn't so healthy. That's the way insurance works.
This bill doesn't change that.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:36 am to BamaAtl
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You clearly have no idea what we're discussing. Let me know when you do.
I have a brain of my own and won't be spouting talking points because I don't belong to any party. You should try that sometime.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:36 am to BamaAtl
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Prepare to lose your ability to purchase insurance
Why, specifically, does this bill do that will cause him to lose the ability to purchase insurance? Not what you want to believe, but what is actually in it that will cause him to lose the ability to purchase health insurance because of one surgery? I'll patiently await your answer. And please... not just your fearmongering talking points.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:36 am to bonhoeffer45
according to this board, CBO is partisan.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:38 am to Haughton99
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And if they can't pay and die because of it you couldn't give a shite.
I would but I shouldn't be forced too.
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Guess what. If you are a reasonably healthy person and pay for insurance your premiums are being used to foot the bill for someone else with insurance who isn't so healthy. That's the way insurance works.
I'm fine with that because I am choosing to do business with that insurance company and not being forced by the government.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:38 am to silverdude
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according to this board, CBO is partisan.
I'm sure Moody's and S&P will be tarred and feathered too.
Thats the game around here for many, anything they think reflects bad on their team is 'fake news.'
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:39 am to cajunangelle
Are you Jason Chaffetz?
How's the foot?
Your going to vote today, but how did you read the bill if you just back to DC?
How's the foot?
Your going to vote today, but how did you read the bill if you just back to DC?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:39 am to bonhoeffer45
It doesn't fix anything.
It is exponentially worse.
Under Obamacare, preexisting conditions were guaranteed to receive coverage (because you should care about your fellow man. Everyone has a right to live right Pro-Lifer's?) This new bill will allow states to discriminate based on medical history.
Do you have a wife, daughter, mom, aunt, or sister?
Rape, postpartum depression, Cesarean sections, and surviving domestic violence are all now considered preexisting conditions. frick the women in your life.
It is exponentially worse.
Under Obamacare, preexisting conditions were guaranteed to receive coverage (because you should care about your fellow man. Everyone has a right to live right Pro-Lifer's?) This new bill will allow states to discriminate based on medical history.
Do you have a wife, daughter, mom, aunt, or sister?
Rape, postpartum depression, Cesarean sections, and surviving domestic violence are all now considered preexisting conditions. frick the women in your life.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:39 am to cajunangelle
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I agree with you and despise the GOPe too but the replacement is better than the current OCare.
You ever gonna get around to telling us exactly how Trumpcare improves things?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:39 am to redfishfan
quote:What do you think about the OP having no basis or understanding of why she supports the bill? I notice that most of the critiques around here seem to be for non-far-right posters...
I have a brain of my own and won't be spouting talking points because I don't belong to any party. You should try that sometime.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:40 am to redfishfan
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I have a brain of my own
Maybe use it once in a while.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:43 am to Tigerdev
I have Humana Gold and I still had a high co pay for my surgery. My health Care premiums are ridiculous. Ask any small business how Ocare is working out for them.
I don't have the inclination to argue with your silly arse; in which your bottom line is the indefensible Ocare.
:white knight hug posted here: because you wished me well. That was nice.
I don't have the inclination to argue with your silly arse; in which your bottom line is the indefensible Ocare.
:white knight hug posted here: because you wished me well. That was nice.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:45 am to SSpaniel
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Why, specifically, does this bill do that will cause him to lose the ability to purchase insurance?
The bill allows states to apply for waivers for community rating of health insurance - the enforcement mechanism behind the PEC surcharge ban. The waiver process is fairly straightforward, with no real oversight and little chance said waiver would be denied.
Once a state applies for said waiver, insurers are free to charge you based on your past medical hx, rather than just your location and age as is currently the case.
Once insurers can charge you more for a PEC, they can price you out of the market (some estimates have hx of cancer with an additional $140k ANNUAL premium to have the same coverage).
Additionally, the EHB waiver process can allow states to declare things like hospitalizations, prescription drugs, and even outpatient visits as non-essential to care. This makes them uncovered by the lifetime cap provisions, so suddenly you can be kicked off of your insurance after $50k or $100k or $1M in hospital bills.
Finally, the way large employer group policies are set up allow them to choose any state they wish as the state whose regulations they follow regarding EHBs etc. Not a problem under the ACA, but under AHCA this means that the first state to implement these waivers (ND? SD? Delaware?) will see a number of employers declare them as their preferred choice, and screw their employees healthcare plans to save money.
Given that our little racist buddy just had surgery, she would fall squarely into the PEC category that insurers do not want to cover. Thus, losing the ability to purchase insurance.
You up to speed now?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:46 am to BamaAtl
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Maybe use it once in a while.
Noted
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