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re: "The opioid crisis"
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:05 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:05 am to buckeye_vol
I don't have a lot of sympathy for addicts. But it has nothing to do with Suboxone.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:14 am to boxcar willie
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no but at some point an adult would realize they have a physical chemical dependency and weigh the options. Are they OK with having a physical chemical dependency? If yes, then problem solved. If not and they want to quit and are serious about it, then there are ways to do it. But you have to want it. That's the part where "being an adult" comes into play
So, an addict (someone who is both psychologically and physically dependent on a substance) should independently come to the clear, rational realization that they have a problem and then just fix it? If you think that's how people get clean, you really have no conception of how this works.
The issue with the opioid problem is that it's a problem of our own making. Overprescription of highly addictive pain killers for relatively minor injuries has fricked up a lot of lives. And telling people to "grow up" and "get over it" doesn't work.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:17 am to boxcar willie
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Most doctors seem to be freaked out of prescribing opiates and things are probably going to get even worse with the media focus and the politicians getting involved and the campaign against them that is going on right now
Yeah.,....I don't know where these doctors are that hand out opiates like candy....most are scared shitless to prescribe for anything but the worst kind of pain.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:32 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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It's incredible how quickly personal responsibility has left the GOP. Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention and it never was really there.
Tone over drugs can change quickly & Richard Pryor pointed this out over 3 decades ago in his brilliant stand up.
"They call it an epidemic now. That means White folks are doing it".
Y'all used to drive through our neighborhoods & shite & go , 'Oh look at that isn't it terrible'. Then you'd get home & your 14 year old is f'ed up( high) & you go "Oh my God it's an epidemic! -Pryor
It's all good though if this results in a change in drug policies.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:44 am to 14&Counting
quote:The Surgery->opioid->heroin tract is very real and you'll see it if you spend time in healthcare.
Yeah.,....I don't know where these doctors are that hand out opiates like candy....most are scared shitless to prescribe for anything but the worst kind of pain.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:55 am to 14&Counting
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Yeah.,....I don't know where these doctors are that hand out opiates like candy....most are scared shitless to prescribe for anything but the worst kind of pain.
You mean now that it's apparent that this is a real problem?
Read up on the hyper-focus on "pain management" that started in the 80's followed by Purdue Pharma's PR campaign in the late 90's and early 2000's (following the advent of OxyContin). The number of opioid prescriptions skyrocketed after medical journals, "studies," and testimonials were released about the lack of addictive qualities and side-effects of the new "wonder drug."
After the realization of what the drugs REALLY do became mainstream, the number of prescriptions has fallen sharply and the availability of prescription opioids is far more scarce... which is what has caused the significant uptick in heroin use (because prescriptions are no longer available).
SO... just because you can't find a doctor NOW who would prescribe pain killers, that doesn't mean that you couldn't find one 10 years ago.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/10/17 at 10:56 am to sugar71
quote:Obviously there is some truth in his comedic social commentary, but we had a "crack epidemic," and it wasn't really the white population that was most impacted. Of course, the crime associated with it was a major factor.
"They call it an epidemic now. That means White folks are doing it".
At the same time, even with a decreasing share of the population, non-hispanic whites make up 63% of the population, almost 4 times the next largest racial or ethnic group (Hispanic/Latinos).
So if an epidemic is exclusive to any other group, the prevalence of the epidemic would have to be at least 4 times that of whites to be as pervasive overall based on demographic data alone.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:02 am to Guava Jelly
quote:Exactly. So the solution to a problem, was more government--specifically more criminalization--and the problem turned into an "epidemic" as a result.
After the realization of what the drugs REALLY became mainstream, the number of prescriptions has fallen sharply and the availability of prescription opioids is far more scarce... which is what has caused the significant uptick in heroin use (because prescriptions are no longer available).
And the maddening part is most will want the government to fix the problem they exacerbated by doing the same things that exacerbated the problem in the first place.
It's insanity.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:03 am to Guava Jelly
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Read up on the hyper-focus on "pain management" that started in the 80's followed by Purdue Pharma's PR campaign in the late 90's and early 2000's (following the advent of OxyContin). The number of opioid prescriptions skyrocketed after medical journals, "studies," and testimonials were released
The BS still goes on. I just took some of my yearly hospital based education. There is still one on pain management. The correct answer to one question, when asked what you should tell a patient worried about being given opiates and addiction. "Less than 5-10% of people with 'real pain' risk becoming addicted".
The number isn't as high as the DEA and Dateline NBC want you to believe, but it ain't that low either.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:43 am to boxcar willie
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it's not physically addicative.
Yes it most certainly is. And if you take it for X number of days you will absolutely 100% be physically addicted. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.
I can't decide if this thread is full of virtue signaling or reverse virtue signaling. Or if there is a difference.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:43 am to SlowEasyConfident
Addiction is a mental illness.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:44 am to boxcar willie
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boxcar willie
You sir, are full of nothing but anecdotal information and bullshite.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:55 am to the808bass
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Eh. For class III narcotic or higher, sure.
No one ever got physically dependent (the old definition of addiction) on Valium or xanax and then addicted?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:59 am to AggieDub14
Yes it is. But it is also a biological illness with strong genetic components
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:00 pm to sugar71
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They call it an epidemic now. That means White folks are doing it".
Black people bitched when crack was called an epidemic. You can't win with some people
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:24 pm to Queen
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I had surgery a couple months ago and when I woke up they asked what my pain level was on a scale of 1-10. I told them a 6. They said "I don't believe you, it should hurt more." They gave me 20 oxycodone. I maybe took three.
I've had the same experience. About fifteen years ago I had sinus surgery and they asked if I wanted a pain pill. I said no. Later they asked again. I said no. Prior to discharge, they asked are you sure. I thought, maybe, since they are so adamant that I will have pain on the trip home, I took one. I never took another.
Recently I had a prostate Biopsy and they ordered oxycodone. I took one or two pills because of the discomfort when I pee'd, but didn't take any more. After I had the Brachy Procedure he ordered another prescription of oxycodone. I didn't get the prescription filled.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:51 pm to SlowEasyConfident
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If you think the "crisis" centers around that . Very small percentage
I'm pretty ignorant about opiate use, but 2 out of the 3 people that I know that have gotten hooked on opiates were people that were injured in the military.
I'm still not arguing against your stance though.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 7:37 pm to buckeye_vol
You argue that biology explains the opiate epidemic.
I don't think it has any bearing on it. It may explain why some people have trouble quitting but opiates are popular in depressed areas, because they're depressed.
If conditions improved, opiate use would drop.
I don't think it has any bearing on it. It may explain why some people have trouble quitting but opiates are popular in depressed areas, because they're depressed.
If conditions improved, opiate use would drop.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 9:26 pm to SlowEasyConfident
Wouldn't the death of people because of opioids be part of natural selection?
You know how leftists love old Chuck Darwin!
You know how leftists love old Chuck Darwin!
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:40 pm to SlowEasyConfident
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Is anyone sick of hearing about this? It's sad but at the same time these people are responsible for their own choices. My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it, be an adult. But I guess our government needs to spend hundreds of millions to help the junkys. Sigh
I hope that you never understand this issue. Even though you're an uncaring arse. I still don't wish the pain of addiction on anyone.
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