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re: The pledge of allegiance
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:56 pm to cubsfan5150
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:56 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:That's about as facile a reaction as you can have.
And you're still bringing up slavery and Jim Crow...
What don't you understand?
OP: The way I grew up was when Murrica was GREAT! And it was always that way...because JESUS!!!
ME: The greatest atrocities in our history happened when godliness was much higher than it is now.
What don't you understand? I mean, we could list other things to: treatment of the mentally ill, treatment of orphans, treatment of children in general, treatment of women, etc.
One would have to be certifiable to argue that 1895 was better than 2021.
quote:Talk about a non sequitur.
The lib go to when they can't figure out why certain segments of the population still can't rise above their same skinned brethren that recently came from the same continent
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:57 pm to geaux88
quote:I'm not saying we don't have problems, but the present is better than the past. It's not even close.
fricking STUPID ignorant comment.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
The OP likely grew up around the same time that you did... Well past the Civil Rights Act.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:01 am to CPTDCKHD
y'all suddenly don't like the pledge. But let someone kneel during the Anthem and y'all will start shooting patriotic slogans and boycott something..
Y'all need to make up your minds. Are you Americans or not?
Y'all need to make up your minds. Are you Americans or not?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
Wow. Noted. So, no respect for the people that paved the way for your feckless disdain? It doesn’t surprise me, that someone who doesn’t believe in God, also does not believe in America. You know, you are welcome to leave. This is not Australia- yet. You can leave anytime. I will buy you a one way ticket to the communist country of your choosing. You just have to sign a contract to never return. I’m interested to know what you would have done differently. I imagine you have epic hindsight.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:51 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
can remember when “under God” was added
And there’s no comma or pause. It reads “one nation under God.”
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:52 pm to CPTDCKHD
quote:
I’m 42 years old. That is how we said it- every damn day that we were in school. I’m not interested in your internet links to tell me it was never in there.
So, to be clear, you aren't interested in what's actually true?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:01 pm to Nematocyst
quote:
You aren’t interested in what’s actually true?
Did you read the rest? I was looking for a firsthand account. I got it. Thanks for playing.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:27 pm to CPTDCKHD
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Did you read the rest? I was looking for a firsthand account. I got it. Thanks for playing.
Hold on a moment, this isn't any better. What you've essentially said is that, without a random internet stranger on an internet message board telling you he lived during the change, you'd refuse to accept it based on... internet links.
You can't make this dumb shite up. Thanks for playing.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:15 pm to CPTDCKHD
Imagine someone pledging allegiance to the USA their whole lives and the actively planning/plotting to abandon it. Almost like some people are just convenient patriots.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 5:47 am to CPTDCKHD
Pledging allegiance every day to a government is kinda weird.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 6:15 am to Nump
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I kind of agree with this take. Pledging allegiance doesn’t mean much if a kid has no idea about the values and beliefs that flag is supposed to represent.
I said the Pledge every school day from K-8, but it only meant something because my parents taught me what it was about.
Unless you have that background, it’s just something else to recite before the teacher asks for yesterday’s homework.
And for many becomes a nuisance and a joke. Folks tend to be cynical...force them to do something repeatedly and no matter how benign it is many, if not most, will soon resent it. The same is true of a teacher leading kids in a prayer or it being done over an intercom. Nice idea but most things kids are forced to do in school are viewed as a nuisance and often becomes the brunt of derisive humor and contempt. It's a bad idea to push kids to the point where they hold the pledge and even a simple prayer in contempt. It gives snowflakes on the right the warm fuzzies though so its done because the main thing is that folks have the warm fuzzies, not that they actually appreciate their nation and the ideals it was founded on or a personal relationship with whatever higher power they subscribe to....
The nation would be better served if kids understood algebra. They would then possess the critical thinking skills to understand what the United States means and what the ideals of the United States represent in a historical context. The problem is algebra is taught in such a manner that many kids grow to resent it and are even outright hostile to the very idea (I won't ever use this crap!!!!). Not all kids, some get it intuitively and some have parents who get it and show them how important it actually is to have the ability to think critically. Far too many simply find it a nuisance and disconnect altogether. Anything that is forced upon humans is liable to be rejected out of hand.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 6:27 am to weagle99
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I would rather pledge allegiance to the Constitution.
That is what it says. "For which it stands"!
Posted on 3/9/23 at 6:58 am to oklahogjr
There is naught about Francis Bellamy which would not indicate he would be a dirty communist in the US today. Dude preached against deprivation and campaigned against the denial of basic human needs based on economic condition and RAILED against private ownership of housing, utilities, transportation etc. If someone known for that ideology today wrote a poem and talked schools into using it while they flew a flag that the poet sold to them (Bellamy also did just that LOL) the right would lambast him and may even forget about drag queen story hour for a minute to create legislation aimed at banning that poem from schools in order to "protect" the kids. Had Eisenhower NOT encouraged congress to add "Under God" in 1954 it is doubtful that the right would want kids reciting that poem today given its well known origins.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:06 am to CPTDCKHD
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I get that. But, the government is supposed to be for the people, by the people. The people (which is us) are responsible for upholding the ideals that the flag represents. We, collectively, over decades, have failed those ideals- miserably. If we, as a nation, under God, can recognize and admit our individual failures, then, as a nation, under God, we can right the ship. Even if you don’t believe in God- you have to realize that those who do are not your enemy- unless you engage in activities that are detrimental to our first amendment rights.
Interestingly enough the author of the pledge of allegiance, a socialist, was also a staunch supporter of the separation of church and state.
Another interesting tidbit, the first draft included "liberty, equality and justice" for all....but his boss at the magazine said that equality for all would include women and black folks and directed the change to "liberty and justice" to all.....
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:09 am to CPTDCKHD
I am twice your age.
you forgot "to the Republic"
I clearly remember when that was added. It only took a moment.
And haven't thought much about it in the seven decades since.
That is until you came in here - leading with your ignorance.
quote:
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, for which it stands
you forgot "to the Republic"
quote:
UNDER GOD
I clearly remember when that was added. It only took a moment.
And haven't thought much about it in the seven decades since.
That is until you came in here - leading with your ignorance.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:24 am to weagle99
quote:
I would rather pledge allegiance to the Constitution
Yes - that would be the proper thing to pledge allegiance to.
We get all wrapped up in the Jefferson private letter that mentions 'separation of church and state'
This has zero effect on founding principles - this was a private statement between private people - no idea what the full context of the conversation entailed.
As a people we should NEVER pledge to some collection of word = regardless of WHO wrote them = unless those words were specifically debated in public with huge majority of the will f the people adopting them.
I am totally convinced that the "church" in Jefferson's letter only meant 'denomination'= certainly not 'religion' as a concept.
I have a firm believe in GOD. - I was born into a Baptist denomination and have found no reason to specifically change that - because I don't think it makes any difference at all.
Certainly the founders would have ridden these modern muck-rakers out of town on a rail. The society in general was honorable and religious, while not always particularly 'reverent' <= but that part is always only between the person and his God.
Be as agnostic as you want to be - but better not try to impose dishonesty, immorality, brutality, etc on the rest of us.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:31 am to CPTDCKHD
The pledge of allegiance is cool and all until you realize how fricking weird it is and then when you realize it was written by an avowed socialist it makes sense.
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:35 am to ocelot4ark
quote:
Imagine someone pledging allegiance to the USA their whole lives and the actively planning/plotting to abandon it.
Quick, give me the most retarded take you can think up!
"Countries cannot radically change in the span of someone's lifetime."
Damn, nice!
Posted on 3/9/23 at 7:36 am to CPTDCKHD
The pledge is propaganda but the good kind that instills a sense of pride in one's nation.
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