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re: The Truth About Ahmaud Arbery
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:16 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:16 pm to Korkstand
Running around the front of the truck, turning left to charge guy with a shotgun, then start grabbing his gun and swinging at him...that's not an aggressor?
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:18 pm
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Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:16 pm to SECFan1995
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The defense will have to prove to a grand jury that the McMichaels' witnessed a felony.
That's going to be a tough job as they weren't there to witness the event.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:17 pm to troyt37
quote:Same video. It's just some of us see it as it happened, and others such as yourself are seemingly making shite up.
We must be watching different videos.
quote:You skipped right over the critical part, which was Jr was stationed several feet to the left of the truck, yet the contact was made directly in front of the truck. The only way that can happen is if Jr was rushing over in Arbery's direction to cut off his escape. Jr escalated the issue even further than his initial aggravated assault did.
Arbery comes across the front of the truck, after running up the passenger side, to intercept Bubba Jr. That’s what I saw
quote:You should take another look. They met in front of the truck, well to the right of where Jr was stationed before Arbery's shift to the right. Arbery was clearly trying to avoid Jr, but Jr gave chase. And he was armed. Clearly Arbery knew he could outrun Jr, so he had to assume Jr intended to stop him by any means necessary given that he was coming at him. In that fight or flight situation, you have to go on instinct. But it is very clearly Jr who forced that situation.
He runs up the passenger side, makes a left turn, and attacks Bubba Jr. If so, he initiated the physical altercation that resulted in his own death.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:17 pm to Caplewood
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Gotta admire his curious nature. Must have been in the market for a new house and garage
Gotta admire those baws who went out of their way to bring the law to this misdeamenor crime Where no one was in any danger. Totally warrants homicide. Bruh are you even on this planet?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:19 pm to xGeauxLSUx
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Running around the front of the truck, turning left to charge gun with a shotgun, then start grabbing his gun and swinging at him...that's not an aggressor?
No. The aggression is purposely placing yourself in someone's path, stopping your vehicle in the road ahead of them and then getting out of that vehicle while armed in order to confront them. Aggression is also moving to intercept that person when they try to avoid your initial attempt at confrontation.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:21 pm to Korkstand
quote:No shite.
The only way that can happen is if Jr was rushing over in Arbery's direction to cut off his escape.
That's usually how you catch and make a citizen's arrest on an individual.
Arbery didn't want to wait around for the cops.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:21 pm to xGeauxLSUx
If a security guard at a bank charges an armed bank robber in an effort to disarm him, is the security guard an "aggressor" at fault in the matter?
If Jr and Sr can't prove commission of a felony in their presence then that's the exact scenario the duo are facing. Forget the "in their presence" part.....can they even prove a felony was committed at all.....?
If Jr and Sr can't prove commission of a felony in their presence then that's the exact scenario the duo are facing. Forget the "in their presence" part.....can they even prove a felony was committed at all.....?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:21 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:You guys keep leaving out the fact that the guy with the shotgun was coming after him. They met in front of the truck, whereas 2 second before that he was well to the left of the truck.
Running around the front of the truck, turning left to charge guy with a shotgun, then start grabbing his gun and swinging at him...that's not an aggressor?
So no, Arbery was not the aggressor. He was the victim acting in self defense.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:22 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:
No shite. That's usually how you catch and make a citizen's arrest on an individual. Arbery didn't want to wait around for the cops.
But...
as we go around in circles again...
To make a citizen’s arrest, to detain someone, you have to see the person commit the crime.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:23 pm to Bard
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The defense will have to prove to a grand jury that the McMichaels' witnessed a felony.
That's going to be a tough job as they weren't there to witness the event.
All the prosecution has to do is refer to mcmichaels own statement to police at the time. Mcmichaels said he chased down and confronted Arbery because there were recent break ins in the area, not because he knew of any felony currently occurring. What will mcmichaels defense to that be, he lied about it in the first place?
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:23 pm to Smeg
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Incorrect. He was going for a gun. Their lives were at risk and it was self-defense at that point.
Only on this board could those two hate-mongering assholes who stalked a guy be seen as defending themselves. It's fricking bizzaro world over here. Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:24 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:
That's usually how you catch and make a citizen's arrest on an individual.
Jr's rushing at Arbery is an aggressive move, meaning Arbery is therefore the defender.
Thanks for confirming that.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:25 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:But you can't do it with deadly force.
That's usually how you catch and make a citizen's arrest on an individual.
When Jr exited his truck and blocked Arbery's right of way, armed, he committed aggravated assault. If someone dies during the commission of that felony, you are a murderer.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:25 pm to Korkstand
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You guys keep leaving out the fact that the guy with the shotgun was coming after him. They met in front of the truck, whereas 2 second before that he was well to the left of the truck.
McMichael gets out and is just outside his door.
Starts to walk towards Arbery.
Arbery jets to go around the right side of truck.
McMichael goes around front of truck.
Arbery reaches front and turns towards McMichael and bum-rushes him.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:26 pm to AMS
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All they have to do is refer to mcmichaels own statement to police at the time. Mcmichaels said he chased down and confronted Arbery
Prepare for downvotes without rebuttal.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:27 pm to Bard
quote:
Prepare for downvotes without rebuttal
No their rebuttal is Arbery was the aggressor despite mcmichaels admitting to initiating the confrontation without any consideration to the gap in logic.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:27 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:
McMichael gets out and is just outside his door.
Starts to walk towards Arbery.
Arbery jets to go around the right side of truck.
McMichael goes around front of truck
At that point, Arbery is then defending himself.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:28 pm to xGeauxLSUx
quote:Uh huh.
McMichael gets out and is just outside his door.
quote:Yep, while presenting a weapon. That's aggravated assault.
Starts to walk towards Arbery.
quote:Yep, to avoid conflict.
Arbery jets to go around the right side of truck.
quote:Yep, to force conflict, compounding his problems.
McMichael goes around front of truck.
quote:Yep, clear self-defense.
Arbery reaches front and turns towards McMichael and bum-rushes him.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:30 pm to Korkstand
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But you can't do it with deadly force.
When Jr exited his truck and blocked Arbery's right of way, armed, he committed aggravated assault. If someone dies during the commission of that felony, you are a murderer.
"In circumstances where the person making the arrest or someone else is faced with the threat of serious bodily injury or immediate use of deadly physical force."
Is that not applicable here?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 8:30 pm to the808bass
So all my friends running 2.23 miles and virtue signaling about it on Instagram are morons. Was he “jogging” at all?
Correct me anywhere I’m wrong here: Arbery does dumb shite and someone catches him. A couple Paul Blart wannabes catch wind of it and try to be neighborhood heroes. They confront the dude and try to arrest him but he resists and they shoot him instead?
Correct me anywhere I’m wrong here: Arbery does dumb shite and someone catches him. A couple Paul Blart wannabes catch wind of it and try to be neighborhood heroes. They confront the dude and try to arrest him but he resists and they shoot him instead?
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