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re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:48 pm to HarveyDent
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:48 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free.
We're not at war with anyone. What country did we just negotiate a peace treaty with to cease hostilities?
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:51 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free. Whatever occurs on the battlefield, is left on the battlefield. And believe it or not, even though it's ok to kill each other on the battlefield, there are still 'War crimes', that you can be charged with that contraindicate your release. These guys aren't being tried with any war crimes
Was this clear explanation given at a press conference? Asking because I didn't see any and don't know if this is true... if it is, this would be a clear explanation that would quiet a lot of the rumblings. Why wouldn't Obama just say this?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:51 pm to wilfont
This is like the end of the Civil War. States had to ratify the 13th to bet let back into the country, but couldn't ratify it if they weren't in...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:52 pm to LSUGrrrl
Seemed like that was what Jay Carney was just saying to Wolf Blitzer on CNN.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:53 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free.
Makes this move even more preposterous, does it not?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:54 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free. Whatever occurs on the battlefield, is left on the battlefield. And believe it or not, even though it's ok to kill each other on the battlefield, there are still 'War crimes', that you can be charged with that contraindicate your release. These guys aren't being tried with any war crimes
The "war" isn't over.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:55 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends
The war on terrorism is over? Who won?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:55 pm to baybeefeetz
I see the new talking points are being floated....
my guess is these too will fail.
but best of luck!
my guess is these too will fail.
but best of luck!
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:56 pm to FT
But why not say it from the very beginning?
"As part of ending our conflict in Afganistan, we are required to release all POWs unless they are charged with a specific war crime and that cannot apply with these because..."
People would have been less outraged and it would have circumvented all these conspiracy theories being thrown out.
Also, the dad... really bad pr all around on this one. It's like they didn't even try.
"As part of ending our conflict in Afganistan, we are required to release all POWs unless they are charged with a specific war crime and that cannot apply with these because..."
People would have been less outraged and it would have circumvented all these conspiracy theories being thrown out.
Also, the dad... really bad pr all around on this one. It's like they didn't even try.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:56 pm to HarveyDent
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Once a War ends,
what war?
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all POW's must be set free.
This deserter was never listed as a POW.
DOUBLE FAIL!
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:57 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:Um. They did.
The war on terrorism is over? Who won?
I mean really. They did. They fundamentally changed America and we wont be going back anytime soon.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:57 pm to Navytiger74
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I'd expect a lot more reciprocity than one fricked up kid for five of the top figures from their days in power.
Well if they had to be given up by 2015, not a big loss, plus could be necessary as a sign of trust in negotiations over broader peace.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:57 pm to Zach
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False. The 'broader negotiation' spin is clearly a CYA attempt after the WH realized that they fricked up.
agree
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:58 pm to LSUGrrrl
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"As part of ending our conflict in Afganistan, we are required to release all POWs
Because we're not at war with Afghanistan and the reasoning doesn't apply here.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:58 pm to Lsut81
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Broader negotiations for what exactly?
A promise that they will never attempt to hurt another American ever again
Exactly my thoughts. Given that the President was raised in a Muslim country, he should have at least some understanding of Muslim culture. They view concessions as a sign of weakness.
These radical Islamic terrorists are driven by the cause of advancing Islam. They are not about to give up the fight. The U. S. will lay down its arms and go home, but those guys will just try to figure out a different way of hitting us.
The only way to deal with them is to kill them. Harsh, I know, but that's the only way.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The "war" isn't over.
Well what measure will we apply? When the last troop leaves the country? When the last combat units begin withdrawing. Whatever the metric, at some point we're going to have to decide what we're going to do with the assholes at GITMO. We can't just burn the place down and call it an accident. We couldn't secure a conviction against the vast majority of them in a civilian court, and I doubt the ICC would be willing to try any of them at this point. Perhaps some of the worst AQ types can be turned over to their home-nation governments, but with the exception of Saudi and Jordan, that's little better than just letting them go.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:00 pm to Holden Caulfield
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Because we're not at war with Afghanistan and the reasoning doesn't apply here.
Thank you
I couldn't understand why such a clean explanation would be left out. I'm just stumped on this whole thing. What's the motivation and why was the pr bungled so badly?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:00 pm to Navytiger74
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We couldn't secure a conviction against the vast majority of them in a civilian court, and I doubt the ICC would be willing to try any of them at this point.
Just kill them.
Civilian trial...
Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:03 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
Still waiting for proof of 10,000 POWs.Posted on 6/3/14 at 1:05 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I couldn't understand why such a clean explanation would be left out
I think someone from the press corps, probably FNC, may have inquired when we declared war on a nation recently.
That's why the "war is over" cover is laughable.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 1:07 pm
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