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re: This Extended Unemployment and Labor Force Shortage
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:05 am to frogtown
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:05 am to frogtown
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Size of the labor force was 165 million pre covid. March 2021 the size of the labor force was 160 million. So according to govt stats we have 5 million currently sitting out.
2 million of them are in California (8.5%) and New York (8.3%).
That leaves 62k/state for everyone else.
I haven't seen you or anyone else in this thread address the pre-Covid issues with filling low wage, low skill jobs, nor address the inability of these employers to change their job to meet the new demands of the larger workforce far beyond just compensation.
The only argument for working these shirty jobs is to avoid starvation, there's been no discussion of how to actually make the jobs more attractive, of which there are a hundred ways companies refuse to experiment with.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:05 am to Damone
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You seem really mad about the prospect of people maybe earning a little more money per hour.
No Einstein, I'm mad that the federal government is confiscating the money I produce, and using it to compete with businesses that are the lifeblood of this country for unskilled labor. In no Shangri-La leftist utopia does a system set up that way work. Ever.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:08 am to troyt37
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No Einstein, I'm mad that the federal government is confiscating the money I produce, and using it to compete with businesses that are the lifeblood of this country for unskilled labor. In no Shangri-La leftist utopia does a system set up that way work. Ever.
No -- you are mad that poor people and service industry folks have other options and are saying frick you to shitty employers offering shitty pay, no benefits, no PTO, and crazy hours.
It's not rocket science dude; people respond to incentives.
You can stay mad or change and evolve. I doubt you are an employer anyway tho. lmao.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:11 am to jclem11
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You can stay mad or change and evolve.
Bingo. People love to put this type of onus on individuals in a tough job market - like those timeless classics, "just get a better job!" or "Learn to code!" - but when it's turned around and the onus is put on the employer to evolve and meet the demands of the unwashed masses, it's a no-go.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:13 am to lsu2006
But think of the C suite and the shareholders! How will they survive without their golden parachutes and buy that 4th home if they don't frick over the workers with starvation wages?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:14 am to Damone
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I fail to see a problem with workers having access to jobs with higher wages.
You're retarded
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:16 am to jclem11
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No -- you are mad that poor people and service industry folks have other options
I'm mad because those other options are taxpayer dollars, you nitwit! The federal government is using your tax dollars to make all the products you buy cost more. A lot more. And you are making your hands sore applauding the effort. How dumb can you be?
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I doubt you are an employer anyway tho. lmao.
Your perceptions are as ignorant as your opinions.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:21 am to troyt37
The onus has just shifted from the individual low-wage worker to the employer. Instead of the individual having to completely change gears and go out to find a brand new job due to lack of income during a government-mandated lockdown, it's the employer who has to change gears and coax employees to come work for them.
As it is, pre-COVID many companies mandated reduced hours and no benefits for minimum wage workers, so they were already having employment subsidized by tax dollars.
As it is, pre-COVID many companies mandated reduced hours and no benefits for minimum wage workers, so they were already having employment subsidized by tax dollars.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:24 am to troyt37
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I'm mad because those other options are taxpayer dollars, you nitwit!
You sure you just don't look down your nose and feel superior to poor people and service industry types?
You are big mad in this thread.
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The federal government is using your tax dollars to make all the products you buy cost more.
Link? My cost of living has not changed a noticable amount in years.
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And you are making your hands sore applauding the effort. How dumb can you be?
I am applauding the fact that workers have gained some power over and are choosing to say frick you to shitty employers offering dogshit wages and no benefits.
I'll clue you in on something bro -- people respond to incentives and being treated right. You treat people like shite and pay them garbage wages they will go elsewhere.
It's not 1987 anymore grandpa.
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Your perceptions are as ignorant as your opinions.
Stay mad and get left behind.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:32 am to jclem11
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I'll clue you in on something bro -- people respond to incentives and being treated right. You treat people like shite and pay them garbage wages they will go elsewhere.
Haven't heard about Costco struggling to hire workers. I wonder why?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:33 am to JPinLondon
The increase in unemployment and benefits has allowed people to be comfortable while not working.
These people could go to work and use the higher wages to benefit themselves and families.
But instead they are sitting home and living a comfortable life without a job.
The government can end this in a week by announcing on June 1st all unemployment and benefits stop until the labor market is full.
These people could go to work and use the higher wages to benefit themselves and families.
But instead they are sitting home and living a comfortable life without a job.
The government can end this in a week by announcing on June 1st all unemployment and benefits stop until the labor market is full.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:38 am to bird35
Another low IQ victim of Chamber or Commerce brainwashing
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:40 am to anc
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This Extended Unemployment and Labor Force Shortage
I believe the Dems are hell bent on keeping this thing extended as long as they can because they can force companies to pay higher wages to get labor back. They are effectively increasing minimum wage since they can't do it through legislation. I was told that a local employer, who used to pay a position $9-$10/hour is paying $1000 sign on bonuses and $14-$15/hour just so they can get employees.
Wait a sec. Before the 2016 (Clinton vs Trump) Presidential election people on this board were all up in arms about high HIGH unemployment. I would respond saying I don't know what you are talking about, here on Long Island every store has a help wanted sign in the window. People said well its not that way here in Louisiana, we just need to increase jobs, more jobs, better wages, that's what we need. Vote Trump for less unemployment!
Now this is exactly what we have....and now people are complaining about that?
Are some people just never satisfied or something? I don't get it?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:54 am to jclem11
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You sure you just don't look down your nose and feel superior to poor people and service industry types?
I was poor people and service industry type for several years. Why would I look down my nose at them? The only animosity I have toward them is to the ones who expect corporations to pay a living wage for a 25 year old single mother and 3 kids, for a menial job. Society at large should not, and can not foot the bill for other people's bad decisions. When society as a whole rewards bad decisions with other people's money, guess what happens? The consequences for bad decisions and just outright laziness go away. Guess what happens then? More people make bad decisions and are lazy. Surely you see where this is going.
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Link? My cost of living has not changed a noticable amount in years.
Been to the grocery store more than once in the last 5 years?
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:03 am to lsu2006
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Maybe if these employers want to keep their employees they should learn how to compete and be flexible to market factors
Funny you use the word “compete”. Are small businesses supposed to compete with the federal government because that is exactly what is happening. Competing with the government who has huge percentages of 50% of the people in this countries paychecks and a cash printing machine.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:05 am to troyt37
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I was poor people and service industry type for several years. Why would I look down my nose at them?
Plenty of folks rise up and then look down on where they came from. Good try though.
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he only animosity I have toward them is to the ones who expect corporations to pay a living wage for a 25 year old single mother and 3 kids, for a menial job.
Oddly specific example. You do realize these corporations you keep sucking off underpay their workers and force the workers onto public assistance to get by, right?
This is yet another example of privatizing profits and socializing the costs.
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Society at large should not, and can not foot the bill for other people's bad decisions.
You are going to pay one way or another. You can stay big mad about it but you will pay. Force these shitty corporations to pay better wages to their employees.
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When society as a whole rewards bad decisions with other people's money, guess what happens? The consequences for bad decisions and just outright laziness go away. Guess what happens then? More people make bad decisions and are lazy. Surely you see where this is going.
All I see is shitty corporations offering a crap deal to people and their worker pool saying frick you. Stop being a shitty employer and treating those employees bad and you might get better outcomes.
Like I said earlier, you can stay mad or change and evolve.
Your diatribe just shows you are stuck in the mud and will get left behind.
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Been to the grocery store more than once in the last 5 years?
I was there on Sunday in fact; the costs have not changed that noticeably for the things I buy.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:09 am to jclem11
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:12 am to Eurocat
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Let’s do some math real quick. I make $9 an hour. For simplicity’s sake, I’ll be generous and say I work 40 hours a week. (Hardly any fast-food workers are scheduled for a full 40-hour work week, which is why so many of us need to work a second or third job to get by.) That’s $360 a week—just under $19,000 a year before taxes. I need food stamps and Medicaid to support my two kids. I’m not the only one. Because pay is so low, a lot of Burger King workers have to rely on public benefits just to survive. All in all, it adds up to around $356 million that taxpayers pay each year to help feed Burger King workers because our pay is so low.
See troyt37, the big awesome corporations you love to worship sucking on that taxpayer tit by underpaying workers all while claiming to be a Canadian corporation to avoid US taxes.
Can't wait for your well thought out, coherent response to this one.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:13 am to Dawgfanman
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Or they retired.
And in the 11th fastest growing state in the nation those jobs went infilled/no new jobs were made available?
You can’t be that retarded.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 11:15 am to Fessface
quote:obviously someone who’s never encountered an uncaged rooster irl
Why would anyone downvote this?
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