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re: This FTX Thing is Huge (UPDATE)
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:10 am to BoarEd
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:10 am to BoarEd
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That FTX set up a donation network for Ukraine, that the US donated money to Ukraine, or that FTX donated money to Democrats?
None of that has anything to do with these reports.
The story goes that Ukraine took billions that the US sent in aide and "invested" it in FTX, which then funneled the money back to DEMs. Where is your evidence of THAT?
The charity got like $75M in donations. NOT from the US Government. This story is talking about $10B+
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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The charity got like $75M in donations. NOT from the US Government. This story is talking about $10B+
I mean, I'm not an expert, but this isn't how money laundering works. You don't get back exactly what you put in. The evidence is right there. It's obvious.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:15 am to BoarEd
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I mean, I'm not an expert, but this isn't how money laundering works. You don't get back exactly what you put in.
The "what you put in" is the issue.
Where is the evidence of this $10B (we'll just call it $10B) transfer to FTX by Ukraine?
We know where the donations come from (not the US government), and they were like $75M "put in" FTX. Even if I agree that all of these donations are fraudulent, they are a drop in the bucket compared to what's being discussed in this story ($10B).
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The evidence is right there.
What evidence do you have of Ukraine moving $10B into FTX?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
To clarify, your "money laundering" reference would require $75M coming OUT of FTX, but this is money that went IN to FTX.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:18 am to BoarEd
According to this link:
Exclusive: At least $1 billion of client funds missing at FTX
$10 billion was moved to Alameda, of that $10 billion, 1-2 cannot be accounted for:
So we need some sort of evidence of what happened to this 1-2 billion if we are to believe it was funneled to the DNC.
But again, we are still working off of "unnamed sources"
Exclusive: At least $1 billion of client funds missing at FTX
$10 billion was moved to Alameda, of that $10 billion, 1-2 cannot be accounted for:
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The documents showed that between $1 billion and $2 billion of these funds were not accounted for among Alameda's assets, the sources said. The spreadsheets did not indicate where this money was moved, and the sources said they don't know what became of it.
So we need some sort of evidence of what happened to this 1-2 billion if we are to believe it was funneled to the DNC.
But again, we are still working off of "unnamed sources"
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:19 am to SidewalkDawg
Should be on chain somewhere, just gotta find it. Nansenai was doing a decent job locating all the alameda accts.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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We know where the donations come from (not the US government), and they were like $75M "put in" FTX. Even if I agree that all of these donations are fraudulent, they are a drop in the bucket compared to what's being discussed in this story ($10B).
I dont see how the 'OK so there was fraud, but less fraud' argument is a winner for any perspective.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:21 am to SidewalkDawg
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So we need some sort of evidence of what happened to this 1-2 billion if we are to believe it was funneled to the DNC.
I mean the story is that $10B (at least) was stolen from Ukraine aide, so $8-9B of this meme aren't even accounted for
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:24 am to AMS
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I dont see how the 'OK so there was fraud, but less fraud' argument is a winner for any perspective.
Huh?
What you quoted doesn't involve fraud, unless you're only referring to the end (When I only said, for argument's sake, that we call the $75M stolen).
FTX committed fraud by stealing $10B in customer funds and using them to prop up their trading company (that was failing). It's your standard ponzi scheme, where they hoped nobody would notice and they could just continue to get deposits to ensure no complications happened at FTX.
They got caught and it all came crashing down, as Ponzis do when they're discovered.
THIS THREAD is about how the US sent billions to Ukraine in aide, and somehow Ukraine "invested" $10B in FTX, and that money was funneled to Democrats.
The "charity" angle doesn't hold weight (again, why I did my "for argument's sake" comment you quoted). So now, hopefully, nobody uses "muh charity" as "Evidence of this fraud, so I can continue to ask: where is the evidence?
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Ok, let's take this one step at a time.
The US sends tens of billions (not Ukraine, you're counting on people to not understand how laundering works, it's the DEMOCRATS laundering tens of billions, not Ukraine) to Ukraine. We agree this happened right? It's been like 100 billion.
FTX steps in and creates a crypto donation partnership with Ukraine. Note, partnership. Not charity.
The money going back to the US Democrats comes from Ukrainian citizens who are converting their crypto into fiat. All set up conveniently by FTX who then turns around and "donates" that money back to the Democrats who are ram-rodding our fricking tax dollars into Ukraine in the first place.
Deets
The US sends tens of billions (not Ukraine, you're counting on people to not understand how laundering works, it's the DEMOCRATS laundering tens of billions, not Ukraine) to Ukraine. We agree this happened right? It's been like 100 billion.
FTX steps in and creates a crypto donation partnership with Ukraine. Note, partnership. Not charity.
The money going back to the US Democrats comes from Ukrainian citizens who are converting their crypto into fiat. All set up conveniently by FTX who then turns around and "donates" that money back to the Democrats who are ram-rodding our fricking tax dollars into Ukraine in the first place.
Deets
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:33 am to BoarEd
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FTX steps in and creates a crypto donation partnership with Ukraine. Note, partnership. Not charity.
A partnership to facilitate crypto donations.
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The money going back to the US Democrats comes from Ukrainian citizens who are converting their crypto into fiat.
This makes no sense.
So Ukrainian citizens, who did not receive any of the US aide directly, are converting their crypto into...fiat? What fiat? Hryvnia (had to look that one up)?
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FTX who then turns around and "donates" that money
They're donating the crypto they received from Ukrainian citizens? And turning it into fiat currency (USD) for Americans?
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Deets
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“Aid for Ukraine,” which has the backing of crypto exchange FTX, staking platform Everstake and Ukraine’s Kuna exchange, will route donated crypto to the National Bank of Ukraine, Everstake’s Head of Growth Vlad Likhuta told CoinDesk. Ukraine’s crypto-savvy Ministry of Digital Transformation is also involved.
So money coming in, from outside of Ukraine. This also doesn't fit into your steps.
This is the best I could find on short notice
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The Ukrainian government – and an NGO providing support to the military – have raised $63.8 million, through more than 120,000 cryptoasset donations since the start of the Russian invasion. This includes a $5.8 million donation by Polkadot founder Gavin Wood, and a CryptoPunk NFT worth over $200,000 . This article will be updated with current figures.
On February 26th, Twitter accounts belonging to the Ukrainian government posted pleas for cryptoasset donations. To date, the Bitcoin, Ethereum, TRON, Polkadot, Dogecoin and Solana addresses listed in the tweets have received donations worth $54.4 million.
These donations have NOTHING to do with US aide. They're coming from individuals and NGOs (who aren't the US) from outside of Ukraine.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:33 am to BoarEd
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The US sends tens of billions (not Ukraine, you're counting on people to not understand how laundering works, it's the DEMOCRATS laundering tens of billions, not Ukraine) to Ukraine. We agree this happened right? It's been like 100 billion.
Yes, the US has given billions in aid to Ukraine, that is proveable.
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FTX steps in and creates a crypto donation partnership with Ukraine. Note, partnership. Not charity.
This is also true: Ukraine Partners With FTX, Everstake to Launch New Crypto Donation Website
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The money going back to the US Democrats comes from Ukrainian citizens who are converting their crypto into fiat. All set up conveniently by FTX who then turns around and "donates" that money back to the Democrats who are ram-rodding our fricking tax dollars into Ukraine in the first place.
This is where I need evidence. Where are the transactions?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:36 am to SidewalkDawg
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This is where I need evidence. Where are the transactions?
There are 2 different potential schemes
1. Stealing US aid
2. Stealing donations from abroad
It may be helpful to ask which scenario "they" are posting about, b/c they seem to take form 1 and then 2 when it's suitable to craft a repeatable narrative.
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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These donations have NOTHING to do with US aide. They're coming from individuals and NGOs (who aren't the US) from outside of Ukraine.
You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence.
I claim that the US is using FTX as a money launderer in Ukraine. The steps are right there. It's anecdotal, yes, but it's there. And it's got legs.
The specifics you ask for will come in time. Enjoy it.
Tick tock.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are 2 different potential schemes
1. Stealing US aid
2. Stealing donations from abroad
The truth is #3 - a combination of 1 & 2.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:38 am to BoarEd
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You asked for evidence. I gave you evidence.
But you didn't.
You gave me conjecture that makes no sense, but no evidence.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:39 am to BoarEd
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The truth is #3 - a combination of 1 & 2.
That makes no sense
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:40 am to BoarEd
Nothing will happen. None of it matters. The s left has rigged 2 elections now with no consequences. Democracy is over. War is inevitable.
Everything that is normal and decent will be violently attacked. Your children will suffer. They’ve shown you what they want. The party of sex abuse and pedophiles will come for your family.
The ghouls on the left won. Learn to live off the land and stock up on ammo.
Everything that is normal and decent will be violently attacked. Your children will suffer. They’ve shown you what they want. The party of sex abuse and pedophiles will come for your family.
The ghouls on the left won. Learn to live off the land and stock up on ammo.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
I guess I'm confused on exactly how this whole thing flows.
I'm not sure exactly how US aid is distributed, but I'm going to assume its deposited into a Ukrainian government account.
So they are positing that Ukraine took that money from their own account and invested it into FTX's charity, which was not used for the war effort, but instead funneled back into DNC pockets? is that right?
Or did the money never go to Ukraine, and instead the US government deposited into FTX's "Partnership" and then FTX sent it back to DNC?
I'm not sure exactly how US aid is distributed, but I'm going to assume its deposited into a Ukrainian government account.
So they are positing that Ukraine took that money from their own account and invested it into FTX's charity, which was not used for the war effort, but instead funneled back into DNC pockets? is that right?
Or did the money never go to Ukraine, and instead the US government deposited into FTX's "Partnership" and then FTX sent it back to DNC?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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That makes no sense
It 100% makes sense. They're taking money from both the Ukrainian government for their services rendered and from the people donating.
How are they taking it from the people donating it? They frickin stole it. As we saw.
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