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re: This is shopped, right?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:22 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:22 am to AggieHank86
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The cops knocked.
Yes, they beat on the door in the middle of the night, without ever announcing that they were police. Yes, the cops CLAIM that they did announce themselves. Everyone else in the vicinity says they did not.
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They weren't asleep in their beds.
Boyfriend Walker says they were. The cops shot the only other person with personal knowledge
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The boyfriend fired the first shot and hit a police officer.
Someone NOT in a pokice uniform breaks down MY door and runs into MY home with a drawn weapon, I am shooting his arse, too.
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They weren't at the wrong house.
That depends upon how we defined the term “wrong.” Yes, it was the house/residence listed on the warrant, but it was also a house/residence that had absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the crime being investigated. Law-enforcement had already investigated whether “suspicious mail” was being sent to that address, and the Postal Service had affirnatively-refuted that assertion.
So I find myself in the uncomfortable position of being in agreement with Hank? Damn this Drug War®! Damn it too hell!
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 8:23 am
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Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:25 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:No, but the officer who signed the affidavit in support of requesting the warrant should be subject to some significant discipline.quote:Sounds like a judge should be impeached/recalled/disbarred
That depends upon how we defined the term “wrong.” Yes, it was the house/residence listed on the warrant, but it was also a house/residence that had absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the crime being investigated. Law-enforcement had already investigated whether “suspicious mail” was being sent to that address, and the Postal Service had affirnatively-refuted that assertion.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:27 am to burke985
A mostly peaceful one?
Message I’m taking is - let black folks do what ever the hell they want. The law doesn’t apply to them.
Message I’m taking is - let black folks do what ever the hell they want. The law doesn’t apply to them.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:30 am to Nguyener
What about the witness account saying that the police identified themselves repeatedly? Or that they changed the warrant to knock and announce?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:33 am to Nguyener
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:51 am to LNCHBOX
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This is the biggest issue. Stop calling all these incidents racism when it is incredibly clear that race has nothing to do with it.
I agree with this.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:54 am to NC_Tigah
quote:You keep suggesting that the police are lying, yet you have zero proof. Your whole argument is based on your own imagining of what happened.
At least that is the LMPD yarn.
That's pathetic.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:54 am to AggieHank86
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Sounds like a judge should be impeached/recalled/disbarred
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No,
Why not both? If judges are rubber-stamping then they're not performing a useful function. They need to be held accountable along with everybody else.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:19 am to Flats
quote:You must understand the relative roles of each individual involved in the "warrant" process.
Why not both? If judges are rubber-stamping then they're not performing a useful function. They need to be held accountable along with everybody else.
It is the role of the LEO to develop all of the necessary facts and to prepare a sworn affidavit of those facts for presentation to the judge.
The judge's role is simply to determine whether the facts to which the LEO swore (under oath) are legally-adequate to support issuance of a warrant. He is REQUIRED to accept the sworn facts as being true. In the VAST majority of instances, the judge is not even allowed to hear live testimony (from which he MIGHT be able to determine whether the LEO is being entirely truthful).
LEOs have checklists as to what constitutes good cause for the warrants they seek, and they say what they are required to say in order to meet the standard which essentially REQUIRES a judge to issue the warrant.
From the perspective of preventing a larger number of unjustified warrants, the system COULD be changed in a number of ways, such as (as just one example) requiring live testimony from the LEO. The problem is that almost EVERY possible improvement in the system comes at a cost, both in terms of money, efficiency, etcetera.
Do judges sometimes make mistakes on warrants? Sure. But the vast majority of "bad" warrants arise from LEOs who shade the facts in order to get the warrants that they want.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:58 am to AggieHank86
quote:Despite judicial orders to announce.
Yes, they beat on the door in the middle of the night, without ever announcing that they were police.
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Someone NOT in a pokice uniform breaks down MY door and runs into MY home with a drawn weapon, I am shooting his arse, too.
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it was also a house/residence that had absolutely no relationship whatsoever to the crime being investigated
Folks DV'ing indisputable truth. SMH.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:01 am to Tiger1242
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After they broke in unannounced and into the wrong apartment to boot...
If you were asleep in your bed and knew you had done nothing wrong, someone breaks into your place unannounced, how would you react?
Stop spreading fake news. She was the target and was the money woman according to her co-conspirators. The cops advised they announced, just because dead asleep neighbors claim they didn't hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:03 am to Possumslayer
He shot a Cop in the leg.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 10:04 am to Nguyener
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f I’m sitting in my house and someone starts smashing my door down, I’m shooting through it.
Of course, I’m not a violent crack head drug dealer, but still you have a right to defend your home and the police are not supposed to be able to smash your house in without any identification or warning.
Actually yes they can and it has been held up in court. The judge signed off on it and they did knock and annouce multiple times.
If you feel the need to blast away, don't cry when they blast back. It works both ways.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:30 pm to blueboy
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You keep suggesting that the police are lying, yet you have zero proof. Your whole argument is based on your own imagining of what happened.
There are some obvious inconsistencies with the police’s version of things. The time listed on the raids has been obviously adjusted to help their narrative. Phone calls of post hoc evidence has been released as justification. And the deal offered to the main target of this investigation who was supposedly a dangerous threat to society would have had him back out on the street more quickly if he essentially gave the department an out in shooting Ms. Taylor.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:41 pm to blueboy
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You keep suggesting that the police are lying, yet you have zero proof. Your whole argument is based on your own imagining of what happened.
It's public record that they lied on the initial report, which was essentially blank. And even though they wrote basically nothing, they checked a box claiming that forcible entry wasn't used.
She ran with dirtbags, may have been a dirtbag herself, but this wasn't good police work.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 3:41 pm to blueboy
quote:That what the FACTS suggest.
You keep suggesting that the police are lying
quote:Well let's see.
Your whole argument is based on your own imagining of what happened.
I "imagined" cops fired 36 times into the apartment
I "imagined" cops fired multiple shots through walls and into neighboring apartments
I "imagined" stories of the cops not having body cams was a lie.
Other sundry published things I "imagined"
(1) Taylor had no criminal record whatsoever, nor did her BF (Walker).
(2) Walker fired one shot.
(3) Walker and the neighbors never heard the police ID themselves.
(4) Neighbors heard Walker shouting questions as to who was at the door, exactly as he attested.
(5) Walker placed a 911 call as the apt was getting shot up. He had no idea who was shooting at that point. i.e. he'd heard no police identification.
(6) Walker was licensed to possess his handgun and again like Taylor, he had no criminal record.
(7) The cop who is reported to have killed Taylor after blindly firing 10 shots through a window into the apartment, was fired after a LMPD review.
I "imagine" that's my argument based on my own imagining of what happened.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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You keep suggesting
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That what the FACTS suggest.
quote:I'm glad you agree, you histrionic fig.
suggest
quote:Reeeeeeee!
I "imagined" cops fired 36 times into the apartment
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histrionic fig.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:14 pm to blueboy
Democrats, when weighing evidence...
Career Criminal: I diddindunuffin.
Police officer: We have audio, video, photos, witness reports, arrest reports, informant testimony, text messages, facebook posts, and a murder weapon with fingerprints and dna.
Democrat: Where is C. Criminal's GOFUNDME? If it doesn't exist, I'll start it. And I'll print t-shirts to help raise money.
Career Criminal: I diddindunuffin.
Police officer: We have audio, video, photos, witness reports, arrest reports, informant testimony, text messages, facebook posts, and a murder weapon with fingerprints and dna.
Democrat: Where is C. Criminal's GOFUNDME? If it doesn't exist, I'll start it. And I'll print t-shirts to help raise money.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:31 pm to burke985
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She was a drug dealer
The mediots of the left paint her as an innocent, but reality indicates otherwise.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 4:32 pm to The Melt
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She was the target and was the money woman according to her co-conspirators.
This is a bit of obfuscation that’s just carefully worded enough that makes me think you’re being purposefully misleading.
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