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re: This isn't about drug boats or survivors
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:24 pm to V Bainbridge
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:24 pm to V Bainbridge
quote:Of course. Google 'fort Bragg cartel' or 'us special forces Columbia cocaine.'
Do you believe the MIC is involved in the drug smuggling?
A few years ago a dozen soldiers here in AZ got busted running drugs across the border in military vehicles. “Operation Lively Green”
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When Midterms are a bloodbath, you will blame someone else though.
It will be blamed on Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. Mark my words.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:28 pm to northshorebamaman
When we arrived in Afghanistan, opioid trade was essentially non-existent. It peaked in Afghanistan history while we were in country. As soon as we were gone, non-existent again.
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This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:28 pm to KiwiHead
Because the muzzles don’t do drugs abs Europe wants to be rid of white people.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:30 pm to Bunk Moreland
Stephen MIller said this. they're going to unleash mass surveillance network built to track terrorists... to use it to fight the cartels here
unless you're a President who works with the cartels. then the US gives you a pardon
unless you're a President who works with the cartels. then the US gives you a pardon
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Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:31 pm to northshorebamaman
CIA gets the Intel and evaluates its overall value to national security. DOD evaluates specifics on an operational basis.... like this.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:34 pm to LegendInMyMind
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The fentanyl crisis is being used as an emotional primer to encourage support from the general public.
And a multi-page thread illustrating this point has been floating around the top of this board since last night. There are posters on here who apparently believe that Venezuela is a major producer of fentanyl.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:36 pm to KiwiHead
I get what you are saying, but the split is not really that neat in practice.
CIA handles the big picture analysis and long range assessments. That part is true. The thing is that most of the intel people in this thread are talking about is collected and evaluated inside DoD. Maritime tracking, ISR, signals intercepts, satellite tasking, drone feeds and day to day operational reporting all come out of the military intel side.
CIA handles the big picture analysis and long range assessments. That part is true. The thing is that most of the intel people in this thread are talking about is collected and evaluated inside DoD. Maritime tracking, ISR, signals intercepts, satellite tasking, drone feeds and day to day operational reporting all come out of the military intel side.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I’m surprised we haven’t had a thread on the new national security policy. It re-writes the neocon global dominance plan to hemisphere dominance.
And this pressure campaign on the Maduro regime — a major strategic trading partner of both China and Russia in the Western Hemisphere — is likely part of that strategy.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 3:52 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:I tend to think you are right about the larger strategy, but what drives me nuts is how we are never allowed to talk about it in those terms. If this is really about hemisphere positioning and pushing back on China and Russia, just say that. People can evaluate that on its own merits.
And this pressure campaign on the Maduro regime — a major strategic trading partner of both China and Russia in the Western Hemisphere — is likely part of that strategy.
Instead we always get the cartoon version. Evil actors. Good guys. Fent boats from South America. Anything except the actual strategic logic. It is like they assume the public cannot handle a grown up explanation, so they wrap every move in a moral fable rather than give the real reasoning behind it.
It makes discussions like this harder, not easier.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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Instead we always get the cartoon version. Evil actors. Good guys. Fent boats from South America. Anything except the actual strategic logic. It is like they assume the public cannot handle a grown up explanation, so they wrap every move in a moral fable rather than give the real reasoning behind it.
This is why I made the thread. It's obvious that it isn't about drug boats or survivors. I wanted to know more but reading MSM or most social media is a giant jerk off.
Only took 4 pages of personal attacks and pissing contests to get to some real discussion
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:05 pm to V Bainbridge
Actually it is about Margarita Island and how Iran has been funneling Hezbollah terrorist their to train with gang members to infiltrate our country. This administration hasn't told us yet.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:10 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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And a multi-page thread illustrating this point has been floating around the top of this board since last night. There are posters on here who apparently believe that Venezuela is a major producer of fentanyl.
They have been a major disruptor in the hemisphere for a couple of decades, but you stay simple with your simple slurs.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:11 pm to V Bainbridge
First off, thank you. And this is just my read, but I do not think the fact that Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves on the planet and is getting closer to China and Russia is some background detail. That is the real strategic issue. The fent boats claim is the marketing layer on top of it.
I am not even opposed to putting real pressure on Venezuela if the goal is to pull them out of that orbit. Great powers do this. It is part of the game. The problem is how childish the public explanation always is. They boil everything down to a morality play and then wonder why the country ends up talking past itself.
If they were honest about the stakes, people might actually debate the policy instead of the fairy tale wrapped around it.
I am not even opposed to putting real pressure on Venezuela if the goal is to pull them out of that orbit. Great powers do this. It is part of the game. The problem is how childish the public explanation always is. They boil everything down to a morality play and then wonder why the country ends up talking past itself.
If they were honest about the stakes, people might actually debate the policy instead of the fairy tale wrapped around it.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:11 pm to Rebel
Apparently you've never been to Naples, Amsterdam, Marseilles or Lisbon. There are virtual open air markets
Muzziies don't????? Let me catch my breath from laughing. Go to Marseilles, you'll change your mind. Corsicans along with their N. African partners keep that town well supplied along with Antwerp. Europeans,and others have easy access.
Muzziies don't????? Let me catch my breath from laughing. Go to Marseilles, you'll change your mind. Corsicans along with their N. African partners keep that town well supplied along with Antwerp. Europeans,and others have easy access.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:34 pm to northshorebamaman
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I tend to think you are right about the larger strategy, but what drives me nuts is how we are never allowed to talk about it in those terms. If this is really about hemisphere positioning and pushing back on China and Russia, just say that. People can evaluate that on its own merits.
I am totally opposed to these regime change policies because of the unforeseen blowback that invariably follows these operations. Yet I would respect Trump more if he would simply level with the American people and say that continued Russian and Chinese interference in the Western Hemisphere won’t be tolerated.
Such an admission of the true motives here could square with Trump’s nationalist agenda. It further could easily be justified as a fulfillment of the Monroe Doctrine.
Yet to do so necessarily complicates continued justification for the global military footprint of the United States. If Russia and China are verboten from operating in the Western Hemisphere, by what justification does the United have a military presence in the Black Sea or the South China Sea?
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:40 pm to RohanGonzales
We've painted them as a disruptor. The reality is that they were more like nuisance. Militarily they are inept even by South American standards. Putin uses them to try and tweak us. They don't need Venezuelan oil, they have their own. China has held back from any real investment there because Maduro and his clique are right above functional retards. They've not invested significantly in Maracaibo at all. Dutch have done more.
Also the cartel guys don't do all that much with them comparatively... the big market is up north and Southeast in Brazil
Also the cartel guys don't do all that much with them comparatively... the big market is up north and Southeast in Brazil
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The Navy has a IC dept, and Sats and ships and planes. More than enough for this oh so complicated op.
You say deep state is responsible I say prove it.
You say deep state is responsible I say prove it.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:43 pm to KiwiHead
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Apparently you've never been to Naples, Amsterdam, Marseilles or Lisbon. There are virtual open air markets
Are the muzzles using or selling?
Because when I lived in Europe, and went to most of the places you mentioned, I didn’t see them using.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 4:46 pm to RohanGonzales
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They have been a major disruptor in the hemisphere for a couple of decades, but you stay simple with your simple slurs.
Where did I claim otherwise? YOU frickING IMBECILE!
Now, do you want to have a discussion or trade insults? I’m game for either!
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