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re: This sure sounds like a terrorist organization to me
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:03 pm to Boomdaddy65201
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:03 pm to Boomdaddy65201
quote:Gracious, friend, you must not have read the thread.
The United States of America has designated Tren de Aragua a terrorist organization for over a month
We have been discussing that very point, for multiple pages.
A number of us hold the (informed) opinion that Donald Trump MADE that (insupportable) designation solely to give himself power that he would not otherwise have had.
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Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not only do they want to avoid this, they're double down by claiming their evidence is "national security" and not subject to review.
Did the Biden admin litigate the de-listing of Houthis as a terrorist org in a court of law, or did he do so with the stroke of a pen?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:04 pm to Azkiger
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Did the Biden admin have to litigate the de-listing of the Houthis as a terrorist org in a court of law, or did he just do so with the stroke of a pen?
Does that matter at all in the context of the current case? No.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:04 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:
Conjecture and hearsay
No.
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(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
2 and 3 are automatically off the table.
The only avenue is 1, and that's clearly intended to be political-based intimidation, which we have no evidence of. Hell, ICE couldn't even articulate crimes for some that they snagged (and argued the lack of evidence of criminality was evidence of criminality).
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
They sound like typical criminals. They're as much "terrorists" as the Bloods, crips, Gambino family, etc. to me.
More stupidity from the stupid guy.
According to Slo IQ, the bloods and crips are also foreign.
Guy is so dumb I swear.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:05 pm to Azkiger
quote:Not really.
"They're not terrorists, they just work for terrorists".
The OP says that they were hired by a government.
A hit man is not a "terrorist." He is a tool. His motivation is money, not ideology.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Not only do they want to avoid this, they're double down by claiming their evidence is "national security" and not subject to review.
Again, conjecture and hearsay. You have no idea why it is labeled national security and why it is is or is not a valid claim.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:06 pm to Redbone
quote:SFP, I understand your comment about welding school.
This is the ONLY thing it is relevant to.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:06 pm to Indefatigable
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Does that matter at all in the context of the current case? No.
It's showing a biased judicial system. So it's highly relevant.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:06 pm to texag7
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According to Slo IQ, the bloods and crips are also foreign.
Can you read?
I posted the definition for
quote:
(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that-
you don't have to be foreign to engage in domestic terrorism.
quote:
Guy is so dumb I swear.
Says the guy who can't read the words posted
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:08 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Not really.
The OP says that they were hired by a government.
A hit man is not a "terrorist." He is a tool. His motivation is money, not ideology.
Good defense for a terrorist. I'm not a 9/11 hijacking terrorist, they were just paying my room and board while I stayed here.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
2 and 3 are automatically off the table.
The only avenue is 1, and that's clearly intended to be political-based intimidation, which we have no evidence of. Hell, ICE couldn't even articulate crimes for some that they snagged (and argued the lack of evidence of criminality was evidence of criminality).
You have no idea what they have on these people and the acts they committed and for what reason.
You mention straw men all the time while you build the biggest ones on the board
This post was edited on 3/19/25 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:09 pm to AggieHank86
It's always amazing when a bunch of welders, pipefitters, and forklift drivers feel so confident when insulting anyone's intelligence. 
Podcast bros have exploded political Dunning-Kruger numbers.
Podcast bros have exploded political Dunning-Kruger numbers.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:09 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:
You have no idea what they have on these people and the acts they committed and for what reason.
You're wrong
quote:
In some cases, those individuals were deported simply for being in the same car or house as other suspects. In others, a Trump administration official admits that there is little specific evidence tying some deportees to any crime—and then, incredibly, argues that the lack of evidence should be taken as proof of criminality.
"The lack of a criminal record does not indicate they pose a limited threat," wrote Robert L. Cerna, an acting field office director for ICE, in a sworn affidavit filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., on Monday night. Cerna goes on to write that "the lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose. It demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile."
That's a laughably weak argument. Cerna is arguing that the Trump administration has the power to deport any immigrant suspected of having ties to the Tren de Aragua gang, even if the evidence is thin and never proven in any court.
Imagine siting on a jury and being told by the prosecution that there would be no evidence presented of any crimes being committed, but that you should simply take the prosecutors' word that the suspect seems like a bad guy. Any reasonable juror would vote to acquit—if the judge didn't laugh the prosecutors out of court first.
Or simply flip the argument around. Would Cerna take evidence of criminality as proof that someone was not a criminal? Of course not.
The affidavit is linked in the article
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Illegals bye bye.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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An argument nobody made
You never explicitly stated the president doesn't have the authority. You just simply sided with the people who said the president doesn't have the authority. Your little word play isn't clever.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:10 pm to Azkiger
quote:
It's showing a biased judicial system. So it's highly relevant.
There has never been an unbiased judiciary. In the history of anything, ever.
That’s why we have layers to the judicial system. You know that people have thought about this before, right?
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Podcast bros have exploded political Dunning-Kruger numbers.
It's not just that. The Trump era ramped up participation by political neophytes who are only educated via the echo chamber. This increased exponentially in 2019 with the Qtards when boomers discovered conspiracy theories.
But yeah the podcast bros and grifters do give the D-K population a sense of confidence in making the worst arguments, by copying the grifters.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
It's always amazing when a bunch of welders, pipefitters, and forklift drivers feel so confident when insulting anyone's intelligence.
Idk. But they can definitely insult your intelligence anytime because you’re dumb as fricking shite.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 10:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Political analysis by cut-and-paste.
But yeah the podcast bros and grifters do give the D-K population a sense of confidence in making the worst arguments, by copying the grifters.
This thread amply demonstrates that the ... individuals in question ... do not even understand the arguments, as they cut-and-paste the talking points handed down from on high.
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