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re: Trump signed an EO to dismantle the dept. of Education
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:07 pm to NashvilleTider
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:07 pm to NashvilleTider
Love it! No more student loans which means no more bloated colleges! We can finally get back to more trade workers and less pointless degrees.
This will also get rid of IEP’s in public schools, which are huge drains on our taxpayer dollars.
This will also get rid of IEP’s in public schools, which are huge drains on our taxpayer dollars.
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:09 pm to Wally Sparks
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Without Congressional approval this will go nowhere long term
In theory a leftist president could try to reproduce the department but that’s a fight hey will need to do with states in a decade or so.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:11 pm to mtntiger
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Given the $238 billion budget, that's an average of $4.76 billion dollars for each state.
That'll buy a lot of school supplies and give teachers some raises.
Hopefully, ESL budgets in each district will soon be unnecessary.
This is how you win this issue. You can get out in front of the negative press by saying specific states will be getting X amount more money under this new structure. The public will eat this up.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:33 pm to NashvilleTider
Tearing it down on brick at a time, how low will they go???
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:08 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Good. This needed to be done 40 years ago
That's the thing.
All of this stuff needed to be done 40 years ago. Shame on everyone who had a chance to do something about it and didn't for the last four decades.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:17 pm to skullhawk
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This is how you win this issue. You can get out in front of the negative press by saying specific states will be getting X amount more money under this new structure. The public will eat this up.
What I imagine this really means for the end user (children/parents) of public education is that their State Department of Education or equivalent will have less strings attached to certain funding. So certain federally mandated programs states may not have an interest in maintaining will disappear and the funding will go to programs the state does want to maintain. So long as the states balance the needs and interests of their constituents then I imagine most people will barely notice a difference.
Edit: The big caveat here are requirements explicitly defined in legislation for funding line items.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:20 pm to NashvilleTider
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This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:27 pm to BlueTiger23
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education is getting cut
Please give us specific information on what is getting cut in education, and how it will affect things in 10-15 years
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:31 pm to theronswanson
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Love it! No more student loans which means no more bloated colleges! We can finally get back to more trade workers and less pointless degrees.
This will also get rid of IEP’s in public schools, which are huge drains on our taxpayer dollars.
The IEP concept is not really the problem. The problem with IEPs are scumbag parents that use them to indulge their kids who are really behavioral problems that need to be corrected.
I guess this is why it felt like many things I dealt with in the Army were tooled for the lowest common denominator line steppers, rule abusers, and rule skirters. You can't have nice things or seamless processes because there are too many scumbags and the simplest answer is to just blanket deny privileges, require excessive proof/signatures/etc, or treat everyone like they have room temperature IQ.
As with most systems, the faults with the system are often that it simply cannot work as intended if someone involved is not acting in good faith. Public education is full of best intentions getting derailed by scumbags. Sometimes it is from within the system but not enough blame is put on the parents in my opinion. There are just a lot of sorry people out there who want to blame everyone but their child when they are clearly in the wrong.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:32 pm to BlueTiger23
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I don’t know how anyone can read this board and be happy that education is getting cut…then again..:nevermind.
Follows that up with this grammatical gem
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TD gonna be even funnier in 10-15 years if the DoE shuts down LOL the influx of more clowns will feed the masses
Education isn't getting cut...the Department of Education is getting cut. Our shite public education system has nothing to do with the amount of money we spend on it; it's how and where that money is spent.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:49 pm to theronswanson
I don't think most people understand the impact that IEPs have on the functionality of a school. I fricking hate them and for the most part it just gives shitheads a license to act like total douchebags because they know they will pass regardless.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:49 pm to NashvilleTider
Do it! frick teacher unions.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:18 pm to Diego Ricardo
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What I imagine this really means for the end user (children/parents) of public education is that their State Department of Education or equivalent will have less strings attached to certain funding. So certain federally mandated programs states may not have an interest in maintaining will disappear and the funding will go to programs the state does want to maintain. So long as the states balance the needs and interests of their constituents then I imagine most people will barely notice a difference.
If you send me $20 million but I have to hire a staff or contract with someone to oversee compliance of funds and then a large % of those funds are restricted to whatever pet project the doe is focused on, you've really only given me half of what I need.
Cut out DOE and your real dollars double in a lot of cases.
Cal make take that money and use it on trans drama productions. Louisiana may spend it on training welders. Push those funds to the state and everyone is happy.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:41 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Please give us specific information on what is getting cut in education, and how it will affect things in 10-15 years
1) Federal student aid programs for Americans to attend colleges, universities, technical schools etc
2) Public school education funding for K-12, children with disabilities and low income students. A vast majority of students STILL attend public schools that need that funding (but y’all already know that…at least I hope)
3) Rural education funding and development, especially in place such as the South and Appalachia where general state funding is already much lower than say California or New York or even southern states like Texas and Florida…
4) In conjunction with the USDA, provide lunches and breakfast to our young children and teenagers that are in these public schools.
5) General support for states’ education apparatus that includes but isn’t limited to teacher pay, books/supplies, infrastructure, student services etc
I don’t know if you were being disingenuous or what, but generally speaking, it’s been baffling to see how little people actually know about the DoE, what they do, and how/why they benefit majority of Americans. Our beloved LSU gets hundreds of millions per year via financial aid from the DoE for students to attend. And that’s simply loans, Pell grants, etc. Not counting everything else. Yall think NIL was beating us down before. What happens when schools lose all that money?
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:09 pm to BlueTiger23
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2) Public school education funding for K-12, children with disabilities and low income students. A vast majority of students STILL attend public schools that need that funding (but y’all already know that…at least I hope)
3) Rural education funding and development, especially in place such as the South and Appalachia where general state funding is already much lower than say California or New York or even southern states like Texas and Florida…
These two (maybe the others listed) are protected by statute.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:51 pm to jchamil
Statutes that are established, administered, and relegated through the Department of Education. Those education statutes and laws are federally allocated through that department solely. The states that can’t maintain will most definitely have to find a way to make up the gap if that money is moved to another agency because we are legit in the middle of planned cuts along with looking to almost double our military spending (going from like 3% of our GDP to 5%). To add on, POTUS has all three branches. Enough said
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:54 pm to Seldom Seen
He's so much tougher than the first one 
Posted on 2/4/25 at 6:21 pm to BlueTiger23
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Statutes that are established, administered, and relegated through the Department of Education. Those education statutes and laws are federally allocated through that department solely. The states that can’t maintain will most definitely have to find a way to make up the gap if that money is moved to another agency because we are legit in the middle of planned cuts along with looking to almost double our military spending (going from like 3% of our GDP to 5%). To add on, POTUS has all three branches. Enough said
State’s are going to get block grants for the same amount that was passing through the DOE if they plan they've concocted goes through. If presented correctly, folks should be begging for the doe to go away.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:43 pm to BlueTiger23
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Yall think NIL was beating us down before. What happens when schools lose all that money?
Yet regardless of how much money we seem to throw at this issue the results continue to worsen each year. To me, that indicates we are not taking the right approach. But I don’t know anything about the DOE,, just using a little common sense which seems to be in short supply at that agency
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:45 pm to BlueTiger23
Education has tanked since its creation. It doesn’t work. You just got used to it being around or you’re a dyed in the wool liberal that wants failing government control, either way, it’s time for it to go as it is now.
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