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re: Trump "This means WAR"
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:22 am to keakar
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:22 am to keakar
Still creates refugees which means Democrat presidents in perpetuity in the US. This would ironically be the Mexican Coup D’Etat of the US.
It goes like this:
- we go to war with Mexico, surgical strikes with SOF, etc;
- “refugees”, i.e., cartel members and there families and other disaffected but poor Mexicans must be let into the US as refugees by the millions;
- they settle in Texas, Arizona, NM, LA, MS, AL, Ok, etc...and flip the states to blue when given citizenship with 5 years of arrival;
- Democrats control these states, their reps and senators;
- the WH and Congress turn blue and open the borders to assure no GOPer ever wins on the national stage again.
It goes like this:
- we go to war with Mexico, surgical strikes with SOF, etc;
- “refugees”, i.e., cartel members and there families and other disaffected but poor Mexicans must be let into the US as refugees by the millions;
- they settle in Texas, Arizona, NM, LA, MS, AL, Ok, etc...and flip the states to blue when given citizenship with 5 years of arrival;
- Democrats control these states, their reps and senators;
- the WH and Congress turn blue and open the borders to assure no GOPer ever wins on the national stage again.
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:23 am to Placebeaux
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Dont do it Trump. Then all those "Illegal Aliens" will have legal grounds to be considered refugees.
Work with the Mexican government to set up refugee camps in Mexico.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:24 am to DeltaDoc
Man you are delusional
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
The drug cartel is the Mexican government
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:25 am to kingbob
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A ring of alleged Mexican drug dealers who stashed their drugs in three locations and then used an Aurora market to parcel out the drugs were arrested today in Colorado and California.
Author: KUSA Staff
Published: 4:25 PM MDT April 20, 2017
Updated: 4:25 PM MDT April 20, 2017
They adapt but will not be eliminated. Opportunity will shrink, and violence will continue among cartels, but they will not be "ELIMINATED".
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:29 am to DeltaDoc
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That’s a monumental risk. It didn’t work for Reagan either.
It is A YUGE RISK but so is having the cartels go unchecked on our border. The Mexicans do not have the military to deal with the problem, but we do. There is an existing Mexican government that can step in and handle the rebuilding, policing, etc they just don't have the police &/or military strength required to take out the cartels. If Mexico asks for our help (the only way that I support sending troops in is if they ask us to) our military can do the arse kicking & the Mexicans can do the winning of the hearts & minds.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:33 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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They adapt but will not be eliminated. Opportunity will shrink, and violence will continue among cartels, but they will not be "ELIMINATED".
So..... greatly diminish. Not sure why we are arguing over semantics here? Prohibition has NEVER worked over the course of human history. More gov't WILL NOT solve this problem and will only serve to make it worse.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:35 am to WeeWee
Eliminating the cartels will create a power vacuum that will be filled by other cartels or small time warlords fighting for the remnants of the cartel riches.
There is no need to launch a destabilizing military strike right across our border. We have seen this fail all over the world. We do not need to spend a trillion dollars rebuilding Mexico.
We need to work with the Mexican government to create economic opportunity there. We need to secure our own border and reform our immigration processes so the best people can get here quickly and easily.
If you want to strip power from the Cartels the way to do it is to legalize drugs.
There is no need to launch a destabilizing military strike right across our border. We have seen this fail all over the world. We do not need to spend a trillion dollars rebuilding Mexico.
We need to work with the Mexican government to create economic opportunity there. We need to secure our own border and reform our immigration processes so the best people can get here quickly and easily.
If you want to strip power from the Cartels the way to do it is to legalize drugs.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:35 am to makinskrilla
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And what about the health of the users king bob? Look at the problems alcohol causes. These will grow exponentially with “legitimate” industry producing cocaine, etc. and I bet you are against big pharma, and if you legalize all drugs it will be big pharma from hell.
They’re already using and dying due to tainted unregulated products. Those that taint products will be sued into oblivion in tort just like they are with big pharma and class action lawsuits. Plaintiffs lawyers would drool over getting to sue the pants off of opioid sellers cutting their supplies with fentanyl in order to reduce volume.
You seem to think that usage of drugs would increase when that really hasn’t proven to be the case anywhere drugs have been legalized. Those who use them are already using them illegally. All legalization does is change who sells them, provides consumers protection and remedies for tainted products, and allows the government to extract tax money from the sales.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:38 am to Placebeaux
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Dont do it Trump. Then all those "Illegal Aliens" will have legal grounds to be considered refugees.
You sure about that? Declaring a police action on a certain sect of Mexico and declaring war on the country as a whole are two different things.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:39 am to Trauma14
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If a republican president gives refugee status to millions of Mexicans, they very well may start voting red. They already share many religious and conservative values as republicans.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:40 am to BlackAdam
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We need to work with the Mexican government to create economic opportunity there
What exactly does this mean?
It is spouted as a talking point with regard to every shithole country whose people live in abject poverty or are overrun with corruption and drugs.
Didn’t we already provide Mexico with economic opportunity via NAFTA?
Christ they already siphoned off a very large section of our manufacturing economy.
How much more are we supposed to give them?
Your post is typical la land liberal thinking- all people need is a chance. bullshite we have tried that to the detriment of our own people.
Really seal the border. Really check the crap coming in via trucks across the border. Covertly work with the Mexicans govt if they want with military aid and ops.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:41 am to kingbob
You don’t know the nature of drug use. Tolerance is developed, people take more to achieve desired effect. That is how we get “accidental” overdose.
The result would be a public health crisis the like of which we haven’t seen. You seem to think legal = safe. That is not the case when it comes to illicit drugs.
The result would be a public health crisis the like of which we haven’t seen. You seem to think legal = safe. That is not the case when it comes to illicit drugs.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:43 am to makinskrilla
Alcohol prohibition made alcohol way more dangerous. Deaths plummeted after legalizing as did binge-drinkin Behaviors. We already have a case study on how this would go. Prohibition doesn’t work and is bad for everyone except for law enforcement, the CIA, organized crime, and private prison contractors.
There is no such thing as safe. But legal definitely is safer.
There is no such thing as safe. But legal definitely is safer.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:45 am to SDVTiger
Explain how I’m wrong.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:49 am to Aubie Spr96
I just stated a fact. Your post suggested it would all go away. Others stated as much in their disagreement with my post.
It's naive to think eliminating prohibition of drugs would stop what is happening in Mexico. It might dilute it some, but the cartels and law enforcement will still be there. DEA will still be there, FBI will still be involved, none of it will change drastically.
They are criminals and will do criminal things. Does that mean you don't legalize? Not making that argument at all.
It's naive to think eliminating prohibition of drugs would stop what is happening in Mexico. It might dilute it some, but the cartels and law enforcement will still be there. DEA will still be there, FBI will still be involved, none of it will change drastically.
They are criminals and will do criminal things. Does that mean you don't legalize? Not making that argument at all.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:49 am to DeltaDoc
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Explain how I’m wrong.
Ask the surviving members of this family slaughtered yesterday how you are wrong.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:50 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:51 am to Jjdoc
This simply won’t work. We’ve been trying to save them for a century and nothing’s changed.
Mexico is a feudal state led by a small group of Spanish families. They have run Mexico since the Spanish conquest. They are rich and remain rich due to their control over the economy. They’re also corrupt.
Underneath them is everyone else. Life for these people is a battle, depending on where you live the violence can be quite bad, but for everyone, corruption is a constant.
This rarely intrudes on life for the upper class, and so they do nothing about it.
In fairness to the upper class, any attempts to “save” Mexico would fail.
Mexico is a feudal state led by a small group of Spanish families. They have run Mexico since the Spanish conquest. They are rich and remain rich due to their control over the economy. They’re also corrupt.
Underneath them is everyone else. Life for these people is a battle, depending on where you live the violence can be quite bad, but for everyone, corruption is a constant.
This rarely intrudes on life for the upper class, and so they do nothing about it.
In fairness to the upper class, any attempts to “save” Mexico would fail.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:52 am to makinskrilla
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Oh yes, and tell us more about how alcohol has cured societies ills. Now imagine how many more will be saved by fully legalized cocaine, opiates and methamphetamines!
Blows my mind how much you people hate freedom. Why should I trust a person with an AR-15 if I can't trust them to not immediately crush as many drugs as possible if they are legalized?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:53 am to Jjdoc
I have a better idea: just decriminalize the product
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